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    FoxNews video of girl getting beaten and security guards just stand there and do nothing.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4013531/s...irl-get-beaten
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    FoxNews video of girl getting beaten and security guards just stand there and do nothing.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4013531/s...irl-get-beaten
    im not able to see the vidoe (probably because of the computer im on at the moment). but the title doesnt surprize me. LEO are not obligated to protect us, i dont see how security would be.


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    Not to say the acts of the guards are right but many security companies have specific policy to OBSERVE AND REPORT ONLY. Many companies will terminate any employee that intervenes in any act like this. I would have happily lost my job to stop this.

    I have been in management of private security for 10 years now and this is not the first time something like this has happened. I have personally seen this more then once, just locally.

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    This video just exemplifies the fact that most security companies and guards do nothing more than provide a false sense of security. Its a sinisteragenda to disarm the public, the law-abiding, then place false industries in place as a feel good measure.

    I feel bad for this girl, she had to learn the hard way that in this day and age people will not stand up and do the right thing when needed. Its been the progessive agenda to teach and ingrain in society to not fight back, to not defend, to do nothing. Its pervasive all throughtout society, even those paid to provide "security". I for oneintend to teach my kids to defend themselves...no matter what.


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    coolusername2007 wrote:
    This video just exemplifies the fact that most security companies and guards do nothing more than provide a false sense of security. Its a sinisteragenda to disarm the public, the law-abiding, then place false industries in place as a feel good measure.

    I feel bad for this girl, she had to learn the hard way that in this day and age people will not stand up and do the right thing when needed. Its been the progessive agenda to teach and ingrain in society to not fight back, to not defend, to do nothing. Its pervasive all throughtout society, even those paid to provide "security". I for oneintend to teach my kids to defend themselves...no matter what.

    sadly, doing the right thing can often lead to civil litigation. i still havnt seen the video, but maybe the security guard was thinking "if i try to help, i might get fired and/or sued by one of the parties involved"
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    It is more than likely not the security's job to intervene but to get all of the information he can and call the police. Security officers have no more legal authority than any other citizen.

    The company I work for has a strict policy about arrests and I would be terminated if I ever went hands on with someone. However when hired I told my boss that if someones life was in danger my morals would require me to help them even if I wasn't wearing the uniform. He replied that he could respect that but i would be immediately terminated.
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    sadly, doing the right thing can often lead to civil litigation. i still havnt seen the video, but maybe the security guard was thinking "if i try to help, i might get fired and/or sued by one of the parties involved"
    No. The security guards are soulless losers. There are 3 of them, and they don't stop one girl from stomping on the head of another girl. Disgusting all around.


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    sadly, doing the right thing can often lead to civil litigation. i still havnt seen the video, but maybe the security guard was thinking "if i try to help, i might get fired and/or sued by one of the parties involved"
    No. The security guards are soulless losers. There are 3 of them, and they don't stop one girl from stomping on the head of another girl. Disgusting all around.
    if i saw that happen to someone at my night job id step in and jack up that other girl. i wouldnt care if i lost my job thats total bull right there.

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    That was horrific! How could you just stand within a foot of the attack and not do anything?! That is beyond my understanding.

    Why call them "Security Guards" if they are guarding nothing and ensuring the security of nothing?

    And the LEO who implied that the security guards did nothing wrong?

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    wow. people...
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    dirtykoala wrote:
    wow. people...
    Yes?
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    if someone told me they would give me $300k to stand on one leg for a year, and on day 364 that was in front of me, i would "put my foot down"
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    if someone told me they would give me $300k to stand on one leg for a year, and on day 364 that was in front of me, i would "put my foot down"
    If you're saying that there are things worth being fired over, I agree. No one is guaranteed a job nor does the world end if you lose a job. The sun rises and we generally find other work.
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    Security Guards are not required to step in. If they do, they are open to civil liability, just like any of us stepping in to help someone. If they act inappropriately, they could be arrested and charged for a crime.

    I worked security for a short time. It was a joke. They prefer you not have anything but a cell phone and a uniform. You get paid min wage or near min wage, and are a target to violence because of the uniform and no way to defend yourself. In the "in house training" they instructed the guards to not intervene in ANY WAY or face instant termination. You are only to observe, record, and report.

    Honestly.. if i was unarmed.. I woulda done the same thing. If I was armed, I might do something if I was sure I'd win.

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    crash5150 wrote:
    Honestly.. if i was unarmed.. I woulda done the same thing. If I was armed, I might do something if I was sure I'd win.
    So you would have only intervened to stop a skinny teenaged girl if you had a gun?

    I understand your point though.

    The real atrocity is the policy of the security company. No one should be staffed for security if they are instructed/forced not to do anything. They are no different from security cameras with a watchful eye. Then you would at least have fewer people in harms way if something serious did go down. A security company that provides personnel on site should be providing someone to keep order and peace not to just to observe and report. It seems like a waste of money and manpower and completely useless.

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    Only if I was armed and with at least another armed guard. What if one of her girl friends had a gun. No one to watch my back or to even the playing field.

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    crash5150 wrote:
    Only if I was armed and with at least another armed guard. What if one of her girl friends had a gun. No one to watch my back or to even the playing field.
    Well, I see that point, but I guess this is why most people are told to observe and report then. Cause they all could have had guns and whether you had your gun and an armed-friend with you, you all probably would be dead. Things happen, we pick and we choose, it is natural as we are only human.

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    dirtykoala wrote:
    if someone told me they would give me $300k to stand on one leg for a year, and on day 364 that was in front of me, i would "put my foot down"
    But surely for $10/hr and a nice neon green vest you'd continue to stand there, right? I mean, it's NEON!

    This incident is unfortunately representative of our society today. Nobody feels empowered to do anything which is ethically correct as long as somebody else has told us to do it. Clearly Milgram's experiment and the Nuremberg Trials have taught us nothing.

    Follow your superior's orders. Do everything you can to keep your job. Ignore gross injustices. These are the marching orders of cowards of everybody present in this fight turned beating.

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    IMO the attitude that one should not get involved is the reason things like the Holocaust can occur. Yes, I feel that strongly about it, and yes, I just invoked Godwin's Law.


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    I am certified as a security guard in the state of california. I am not now nor have I ever actually worked as a guard but I maintain my certification. This is not to say that I do not have experience, more than enough of that in a military capacity.

    Now as for the legal aspect of it. there is no law at least in California that applies to privatesecurity that prevents them from coming between an assailant and their victim. Not to preempt a defense but once it had started they could have positioned themselves between the two.After watching the video I have determined that this could have been done without initiating physical contact with the assailant. This is the key, doing so would leave them open to civil action.

    If they had positioned themselves between the two protecting the victims head and body so as to makea continued assault impossible withoutassaulting the guard this would have given the guard cause to defend himself there by defending the victim. The most appropriate meansof a guard defending themselvesbarring theassailants useof a deadly weapon would be Physical arrest anddetainment. Yes I spentsome timeto make sure that this would be alegal and reasonable response within the generalscope of a security guards duty, responsibility and authority.

    So not to put to fine a point on it, These bastardscomitted a cowardly act by not acting.Without soundingoverdramatic they could have covered her with their own body and maybetakena few blows. This could have been done by two of them while the third continued to observe and be a good witness so that they all could justify their actions. After all the job market is too small to be getting fired.

    Sorry for the long opinion but I am still foaming at the mouth over this.

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    I don't even have to see the video in order to be disgusted over this. I heard about it, and sure enough it showed up here. I may be late in posting, but here are my thoughts.

    Anyone, ANYONE could have stepped in to reverse this situation. Those security guards (as we all know) should have taken action.

    Were I there, Open Carrier or not, I would have done something. I am pretty sure any of the sheeple watching would have joined me. In the event I had a firearm, I would have been justified in using it.

    Where have we gone to in a society that allows this type of behavior?
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    OPS MARINE wrote:
    Where have we gone to in a society that allows this type of behavior?
    The fact that when ever you act against someone else.. you are open to criminal and civil liability.

    Even if you were found innocent of criminal wrong doing.. you can still be sued civilly.


    I would prefer to see someone get beat up instead of seeing 25% of my paycheck garnished for then next 30 years because I got sued for trying to do the right thing.

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    IMO the attitude that one should not get involved is the reason things like the Holocaust can occur. Yes, I feel that strongly about it, and yes, I just invoked Godwin's Law.
    [i]When the Nazis came for the communists,
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    I was not a trade unionist.

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    Such a sad story.

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