Security Guards watch girl get beaten

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I am certified as a security guard in the state of california. I am not now nor have I ever actually worked as a guard but I maintain my certification. This is not to say that I do not have experience, more than enough of that in a military capacity.

Now as for the legal aspect of it. there is no law at least in California that applies to privatesecurity that prevents them from coming between an assailant and their victim. Not to preempt a defense but once it had started they could have positioned themselves between the two.After watching the video I have determined that this could have been done without initiating physical contact with the assailant. This is the key, doing so would leave them open to civil action.

If they had positioned themselves between the two protecting the victims head and body so as to makea continued assault impossible withoutassaulting the guard this would have given the guard cause to defend himself there by defending the victim. The most appropriate meansof a guard defending themselvesbarring theassailants useof a deadly weapon would be Physical arrest anddetainment. Yes I spentsome timeto make sure that this would be alegal and reasonable response within the generalscope of a security guards duty, responsibility and authority.

So not to put to fine a point on it, These bastardscomitted a cowardly act by not acting.Without soundingoverdramatic they could have covered her with their own body and maybetakena few blows. This could have been done by two of them while the third continued to observe and be a good witness so that they all could justify their actions. After all the job market is too small to be getting fired.

Sorry for the long opinion but I am still foaming at the mouth over this.

Sincerely, Defensor Fortis

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I don't even have to see the video in order to be disgusted over this. I heard about it, and sure enough it showed up here. I may be late in posting, but here are my thoughts.

Anyone, ANYONE could have stepped in to reverse this situation. Those security guards (as we all know) should have taken action.

Were I there, Open Carrier or not, I would have done something. I am pretty sure any of the sheeple watching would have joined me. In the event I had a firearm, I would have been justified in using it.

Where have we gone to in a society that allows this type of behavior?

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OPS MARINE wrote:

Where have we gone to in a society that allows this type of behavior?

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The fact that when ever you act against someone else.. you are open to criminal and civil liability.

Even if you were found innocent of criminal wrong doing.. you can still be sued civilly.


I would prefer to see someone get beat up instead of seeing 25% of my paycheck garnished for then next 30 years because I got sued for trying to do the right thing.

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MudCamper wrote:

IMO the attitude that one should not get involved is the reason things like the Holocaust can occur. Yes, I feel that strongly about it, and yes, I just invoked Godwin's Law.

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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.

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~Martin Niemöller

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Such a sad story.

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crash5150 wrote:

I would prefer to see someone get beat up instead of seeing 25% of my paycheck garnished for then next 30 years because I got sued for trying to do the right thing.

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All it may have taken is just a shout or a shove.

A couple of years ago I was walked into a fast food to find a man in the face of another woman standing in line with two of the man's girl friends off to the side trash talking the woman standing in line. The woman in line just had her head down and was scared to death. The man didn't like the fact that she was not looking at him and gave her a shove. Mind you this was with a line full of people.

That was all I could take. I grabbed the guy, slung him to the counter, and in a very loud voice told him it was time to go. He began to take his coat off to square off with me. I didn't give ground.But his women thought the better of it, grabbed him and drug him through the door.

And guess what...I didn't get sued!

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Go ahead and sue me. You'll get...ummmmm NOTHING (except for a couple of credit card bills). I don't own anything in my name. Trusts, LLC's, and other legal entities are worth their weight in gold.

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While I agree about the guards reaction to this beating , there is more to this that really makes me furious.

This young lady had asked a couple of police officers to escort her and they refused. Now this doesn't surprise any of us , but to the general public , and now to this young lady , they can quickly find themselves all alone in this big bad world.

By haveing police on duty and many places haveing guards on duty , people are led to believe there is no reason for anyone to need to protect themselves. While true that it was a girl of only 14 , this could have happened to anyone at any age and the outcome would be the same. I mean it could have been a 60 yr old guy , unarmed , attacked by a 25 yr old punk. The outcome would have been the same.

I will stop ranting now. I just hope I made a lil bit of sense . :banghead:

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This story and the video could be the "poster child" for gun rights. An excellent visual and written rebuttal toanyone who argues"why do you need a gun for self defense".

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The security guards not only did nothing but watch, but they stood over the girl as she was getting beat so that nobody else would intervene. They should be charged as accessories.

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dirtykoala wrote:

im not able to see the vidoe (probably because of the computer im on at the moment). but the title doesnt surprize me. LEO are not obligated to protect us, i dont see how security would be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUEeTAwxGjo

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inbox485 wrote:

The security guards not only did nothing but watch, but they stood over the girl as she was getting beat so that nobody else would intervene. They should be charged as accessories.

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I feel the same way, I heard about the vid and without watching thought that the S.O's were not guilty. Any citizen in ANY State is allowed to intervene in a felony assault. If you watch carefully a couple of the boys there picked up stuff from the floor, probably the girls $$.

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I disagree with your assessment of the situation,I own and operate security specialties group in the state of calif .if as you say you are asupervisor for a security company and you allowed something like that to go on in front of three officers under your supervision and I was the CEO of that company the only thing you would be doing the next day is cleaning out your desk and those three officers would no longer have a job.

you are correct in your assessment of most security companies especially the big ones like Securitas and Allied barton their policy is observe and report only do not get involved but it comes down to this what are the clients desires and since he signs the check you follow his rules or pack your bagwithin the boundries of the laws on the books of the state you are in I get clarification on that in every contract I write.

Clearly if you watched the video on fox news in the state of Calif the perpertrator violated sections 241PC AND 245PC both felonys thats off the top of my head and I could probably come up with afew more ,under those circumstances if any officer in my employ stood there and did nothing he would be gone but that would never happen with my people they know what I expect from them on the job " this woman would have been in bracelets and in custody shortley after she threw the first punch and if she resisted she would have been tased as well possibly

I run a proactive company and am not afraid to confront a frivilous law suit when I know the actions my people take are within the boundries of the law this country may be going to hell in a hand basket these days but thatdoes not mean that I have to follow suit and still call myself a man the next morning I sleep good at night and I like it that way.

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While I am on the subject "

I have one more comment and a very famous quote , my comment is this to many of you are to worried about being sued by some dirt bag who broke the law and received his just deserts there are alot of dirt bag lawyers out there who will do anything for a buck but rember this there are still alot of decent judges out there who will throw out these suits before they even reach the court room and if they dont I have found most jurys to be decent hard working folks just like most of us out here.



here is the "quote"

all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men and women to do nothing / end quote/

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Someone said they did nothing wrong.

But they did nothing right.

I am former LE and now work in the private sector. My employer is both a PPO (security company) and PI (private Investigator) so I am involved in this industry. Thank you Arcameades for your responce.



Not all companies are the same but the old saying is if you pay peanuts you get monkeys is true. The issue with the company is more of an issue with the client as they set the rules. If you want good staff you have to pay them and that costis past on to theclients who are often not willing to pay until something like this happens. So it is for the most part it is to late after the fact.

I have worked in this industry for some time and was in the training side for a portion of that. Some people should not be in this business and those three go to the top of the list.



LastboyScout
arcameades wrote:

I disagree with your assessment of the situation,I own and operate security specialties group in the state of calif .if as you say you are asupervisor for a security company and you allowed something like that to go on in front of three officers under your supervision and I was the CEO of that company the only thing you would be doing the next day is cleaning out your desk and those three officers would no longer have a job.

you are correct in your assessment of most security companies especially the big ones like Securitas and Allied barton their policy is observe and report only do not get involved but it comes down to this what are the clients desires and since he signs the check you follow his rules or pack your bagwithin the boundries of the laws on the books of the state you are in I get clarification on that in every contract I write.

Clearly if you watched the video on fox news in the state of Calif the perpertrator violated sections 241PC AND 245PC both felonys thats off the top of my head and I could probably come up with afew more ,under those circumstances if any officer in my employ stood there and did nothing he would be gone but that would never happen with my people they know what I expect from them on the job " this woman would have been in bracelets and in custody shortley after she threw the first punch and if she resisted she would have been tased as well possibly

I run a proactive company and am not afraid to confront a frivilous law suit when I know the actions my people take are within the boundries of the law this country may be going to hell in a hand basket these days but thatdoes not mean that I have to follow suit and still call myself a man the next morning I sleep good at night and I like it that way.

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I wouldn't have stood by and did nothing, thats outrages !

What if it was your daughter ? No dought it she is someones daughter !

This "Security gaurds" stuff is a joke, as they did nothing.

Robin47 :cuss:

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I heard from a coworker that recently,a mall security guard back east was shot while trying to break up a fight in his mall. My coworker told me that the guard saw 2 men argueing and pushing eachother. Once the guard walked up and tried to break it up one of them pulled out a hand gun and killed the guard. then the 2 parties just ran away... peculiar....

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coolusername2007 wrote:

This video just exemplifies the fact that most security companies and guards do nothing more than provide a false sense of security. Its a sinisteragenda to disarm the public, the law-abiding, then place false industries in place as a feel good measure.

I feel bad for this girl, she had to learn the hard way that in this day and age people will not stand up and do the right thing when needed. Its been the progessive agenda to teach and ingrain in society to not fight back, to not defend, to do nothing. Its pervasive all throughtout society, even those paid to provide "security". I for oneintend to teach my kids to defend themselves...no matter what.

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You nailed it ! ! ! Sad that there are those who would PRESUME to think we’re the ones needing a “false sense of security” with a firearm… I guess ignorance is Indeed “BLISS” ...when you’re a gun-grabber

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SmokeaCigShootaSig wrote:

coolusername2007 wrote:

This video just exemplifies the fact that most security companies and guards do nothing more than provide a false sense of security. Its a sinisteragenda to disarm the public, the law-abiding, then place false industries in place as a feel good measure.

I feel bad for this girl, she had to learn the hard way that in this day and age people will not stand up and do the right thing when needed. Its been the progessive agenda to teach and ingrain in society to not fight back, to not defend, to do nothing. Its pervasive all throughtout society, even those paid to provide "security". I for oneintend to teach my kids to defend themselves...no matter what.

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You nailed it ! ! ! Sad that there are those who would PRESUME to think we’re the ones needing a “false sense of security” with a firearm… I guess ignorance is Indeed “BLISS” ...when you’re a gun-grabber

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You guys are a hard act to follow. So I will not try, but to say that you have mirrored my sentiments exactly. Also that of many otherposts here. Why can't there be more principled people with like ideas in public office.

Defensor out