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    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Judg...-84272067.html

    by SUSANNAH FRAME / KING5 News

    Posted on February 12, 2010 at 4:16 PM

    Updated today at 4:17 PM

    SEATTLE - A Judge has just ruled that the city of Seattle ban on guns on city property is illegal, effectively ending the ban.

    The 2nd Amendment Foundation, the National Rifle Association, and several individuals, including a gay rights activist and a Department of Corrections worker sued the City of Seattle and former Mayor Greg Nickels in October. They demanded the city repeal a controversial ban on guns in places like parks and community centers.

    The individual plaintiffs say they're suing not just on principal, but because they now "fear for their safety", according to their lawsuit.

    King County Superior Court JudgeCatherine Shaffermade the ruling today after the plaintiff’s filed a motion for Summary Judgment and prevailed.


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    Is this for real? How long will this take to go into effect, ie. when can we carry in Seattle again with impunity?

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    Picnic in Seattle.

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    SWEET VICTORY!! This will go a LOOOOOOOONG way as far as other cities trying to do the same thing. THIS IS THE BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD ALL DAY!


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    Wow that was fast.

    It wasn't really much of a win for us, since it was something they stole, and apparently now have to give back.

    Nevertheless, :celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate :celebrate




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    antispam540 wrote:
    Is this for real? How long will this take to go into effect, ie. when can we carry in Seattle again with impunity?
    It never was real, so it never was in effect, you always could carry in Seattle with impunity.

    This is good news for those of us in Spokane.
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    I posted a comment on the news article.
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    =)

    We never were told how much it had cost to put the signs up. I wonder how much it will cost to remove them.
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    This is great news.

    It's up on the West Seattle Blog too and no one has commented yet.

    http://westseattleblog.com/2010/02/j...-parks-gun-ban

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    I'll be writing a special GUN RIGHTS EXAMINER column on this to be released later this evening after I go through the legal document and round up all the details.

    IIRC, there were some folks on this forum who thought SAF's lawsuit would never work, that it was the wrong approach, blah blah blah.

    I talked to our attorney and suggested that the first round of drinks should be charged to Greg Nickels.

    more later.

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    Summary Judgment? Sweet...

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    Is there a link to the Order, or can you post it, Dave?

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    GreatWhiteLlama wrote:
    =)

    We never were told how much it had cost to put the signs up. I wonder how much it will cost to remove them.
    It cost over 10K for the signs and their placement. Hmm, I'll help take them down for free.... I wonder if they would let us??

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    With this summary judgement I wonder if all those cities and counties in Washington that have been ignoring their "preempted ordinances" and waiting to see if Seattle was able to prevail will NOW take appropriate action. Ditto for those that are attempting to enact similar ordinances.

    BTW, Violation of most provisions of RCW 9.41 is a Gross Misdemeanor and unless a specific penalty is spelled out, by State Law one can be incarcerated in the County Jail for a period up to one year. Why is it that this provision only applys to US, the gun owner, and not the politicians that violate RCW 9.41.290 who seem to do so willingly and without fear of prosecution. What's wrong here?
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    M1Gunr wrote:
    GreatWhiteLlama wrote:
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    We never were told how much it had cost to put the signs up. I wonder how much it will cost to remove them.
    It cost over 10K for the signs and their placement. Hmm, I'll help take them down for free.... I wonder if they would let us??
    +1 I will charge up my Makita drill tonite! Perhaps after the Dixie's lunch tomorrow a special trip to a Seattle park!
    I'll be writing a special GUN RIGHTS EXAMINER column on this to be released later this evening after I go through the legal document and round up all the details.

    IIRC, there were some folks on this forum who thought SAF's lawsuit would never work, that it was the wrong approach, blah blah blah.

    I talked to our attorney and suggested that the first round of drinks should be charged to Greg Nickels.

    more later.
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    I've sent my email to the Port of Seattle commissioner's. They've been waiting to see what happened with Seattle. I explained quite clearly that their rule, and Seattle's invalid rule are, legally speaking, exactly the same.

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    Folks,

    I hate to be the killjoy here, but the Injunction takes effect on Wednesday the 17th, not immediately. The city asked for time to send out some memorandums and training advisories to let them their employees to not kick gun owners out, and they were granted it.

    The order should be posted early next week. The judge had to hand write some of the order and I believe it's being changed to the official Superior Court electronic format early next week.

    A transcription of the hearing will be forthcoming soon, as well. Judge Schaefer made some really good points during her discussions that I heard.

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    Gray Peterson wrote:
    Folks,

    I hate to be the killjoy here, but the Injunction takes effect on Wednesday the 17th, not immediately. The city asked for time to send out some memorandums and training advisories to let them their employees to not kick gun owners out, and they were granted it.
    However Gray, I do not believe they would enforce anything at this point. Plus they have their hands full with the bus tunnel.
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    gogodawgs wrote:
    Gray Peterson wrote:
    Folks,

    I hate to be the killjoy here, but the Injunction takes effect on Wednesday the 17th, not immediately. The city asked for time to send out some memorandums and training advisories to let them their employees to not kick gun owners out, and they were granted it.
    However Gray, I do not believe they would enforce anything at this point. Plus they have their hands full with the bus tunnel.
    Your call.

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    So... Does anyone think this will prompt Seattle Public Library to remove their existing prohibition of firearms?

    RULES OF CONDUCT
    For the comfort and safety of patrons, volunteers, and staff, and the protection of Library property, the following actions are examples of conduct not allowed on Library property:

    ....

    Category E (Serious Violation Toward Person(s) or Property)

    • Possession, except by law enforcement officers, of a firearm on Library property.
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    http://www.spl.org/default.asp?pageI...licies_conduct

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    arms_libertas wrote:
    So... Does anyone think this will prompt Seattle Public Library to remove their existing prohibition of firearms?

    RULES OF CONDUCT
    For the comfort and safety of patrons, volunteers, and staff, and the protection of Library property, the following actions are examples of conduct not allowed on Library property:

    ....

    Category E (Serious Violation Toward Person(s) or Property)

    • Possession, except by law enforcement officers, of a firearm on Library property.
    ...


    http://www.spl.org/default.asp?pageI...licies_conduct
    OC there, if they enforce it and you get cited or arrested, you have an easy lawsuit to win.

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    gogodawgs wrote:
    Dave ~ while some malign you and SAF, I do not!Â* I would buy you or Alan a drink anytime.
    Yeah?

    Well, maybe a STARBUCKS, eh?

    :celebrate :celebrate

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    Dave Workman wrote:
    gogodawgs wrote:
    Dave ~ while some malign you and SAF, I do not! I would buy you or Alan a drink anytime.
    Yeah?

    Well, maybe a STARBUCKS, eh?

    :celebrate :celebrate
    Absolutely! Anytime any Starbucks! (well I am a workin man so we have to work around schedules and such!)
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    Personally I won't go to a park untill after the 17th.No need to. I don't want to show up for the sake of showing off, makes us look like a bunch of gloating a.ses.I wasn't planning a trip to a park this weekend so why would I go now.Now that I know I can go when I want .....Thats plenty..

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    Can't the city appeal this ruling to a higher court?

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