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    So I decided I would OC for the first time today.

    My GF, her kid and I went to a local Mexican restaurant that I am a regular at, OCing no probs at all. They always have great service but this time whenever I they came to refill my pop and ask if we needed everything, I kept imaging that they were all scared and wanted to make sure I didnt get all pissed off, lol.

    After that we went to Walmart, to do some shopping, talked to an employee for like 10 mins about phone plans and such, no problems dont think he even noticed my Glock. As I was leaving the electronics section, the Ass. Manager comes up to me

    Him: Can I talk to you for a minute?
    Me: Sure, what can I do for you?
    Him:I wanted to talk to you about your pistol, Im sure you have a CPL and all but Im gonna have to ask you to cover it up.
    Me: It is completely legal in WA for me to OC.
    Him: Well I need to ask you to cover it up.
    Me: No its within my rights to carry like this.
    Him: :stupid look:
    Me: Are you asking me to leave the store?
    Him: No but I need you to cover your pistol up.
    Me: Well Im not gonna do that.
    Him: Then I need to ask you to leave the store.
    Me: Ok, Im gone and wont be back. Have a nice day.

    So I wanted to send an email or talk to someone about this. How would I go about doing this?

    What could I have done better in this situation when it happens again?


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    Tell them that their policy is for employees and not patrons, and that he is flat out wrong.

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    As found on many threads throughout the site Walmarts policy is to follow state law.


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    NavyLT wrote:
    Bovaloe wrote:
    So I decided I would OC for the first time today.

    My GF, her kid and I went to a local Mexican restaurant that I am a regular at, OCing no probs at all. They always have great service but this time whenever I they came to refill my pop and ask if we needed everything, I kept imaging that they were all scared and wanted to make sure I didnt get all pissed off, lol.

    After that we went to Walmart, to do some shopping, talked to an employee for like 10 mins about phone plans and such, no problems dont think he even noticed my Glock. As I was leaving the electronics section, the Ass. Manager comes up to me

    Him: Can I talk to you for a minute?
    Me: Sure, what can I do for you?
    Him:I wanted to talk to you about your pistol, Im sure you have a CPL and all but Im gonna have to ask you to cover it up.
    Me: It is completely legal in WA for me to OC.
    Him: Well I need to ask you to cover it up.
    Me: No its within my rights to carry like this.
    Him: :stupid look:
    Me: Are you asking me to leave the store?
    Him: No but I need you to cover your pistol up.
    Me: Well Im not gonna do that.
    Him: Then I need to ask you to leave the store.
    Me: Ok, Im gone and wont be back. Have a nice day.

    So I wanted to send an email or talk to someone about this. How would I go about doing this?

    What could I have done better in this situation when it happens again?
    So are you really never going to go back? What's the point of doing anything about it if you are never going to go back?
    Was saying that more for if that was their policy, to not allow me to OC.

    Who should I contact about this? The head honcho for that Walmart or the big one at the Corp level?

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    Bovaloe wrote:
    NavyLT wrote:
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    So I decided I would OC for the first time today.

    My GF, her kid and I went to a local Mexican restaurant that I am a regular at, OCing no probs at all. They always have great service but this time whenever I they came to refill my pop and ask if we needed everything, I kept imaging that they were all scared and wanted to make sure I didnt get all pissed off, lol.

    After that we went to Walmart, to do some shopping, talked to an employee for like 10 mins about phone plans and such, no problems dont think he even noticed my Glock. As I was leaving the electronics section, the Ass. Manager comes up to me

    Him: Can I talk to you for a minute?
    Me: Sure, what can I do for you?
    Him:I wanted to talk to you about your pistol, Im sure you have a CPL and all but Im gonna have to ask you to cover it up.
    Me: It is completely legal in WA for me to OC.
    Him: Well I need to ask you to cover it up.
    Me: No its within my rights to carry like this.
    Him: :stupid look:
    Me: Are you asking me to leave the store?
    Him: No but I need you to cover your pistol up.
    Me: Well Im not gonna do that.
    Him: Then I need to ask you to leave the store.
    Me: Ok, Im gone and wont be back. Have a nice day.

    So I wanted to send an email or talk to someone about this. How would I go about doing this?

    What could I have done better in this situation when it happens again?
    So are you really never going to go back? What's the point of doing anything about it if you are never going to go back?
    Was saying that more for if that was their policy, to not allow me to OC.

    Who should I contact about this? The head honcho for that Walmart or the big one at the Corp level?
    Call the store and ask to speak with the store manager or district manager. Store manager first though. Let them know how the situation went and that Walmart policy is different for employees than with patrons, and that OC is legal.

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    Write a letter to them through the website I did this and was contacted by the Bellingham store manager, with an apology. Keep it short and sweet but to the point.

    I carried in the Wenatchee wal-mart last year with no problems.
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    the Ass. Manager
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    N6ATF wrote:
    the Ass. Manager
    LOL
    I read it that way the first time too.

    I would say spyder has the right idea.

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    Just got off the phone with the store manager at the Walmart. He said that several customers had made reports of a "man with a gun" and that the manager did nothing wrong with asking me to cover it up even though WA its legal to openly carry.

    I asked him why was other customers comfort level more important than my own comfort level and my legal right to carry. He basically said that it was private property so they could ask me to leave, to which I said yes that is why I left when asked.
    I then asked what was the Corporate level policy on fireams to which he replied there "wasn't one."

    Since I was getting nowhere with this guy I asked for the name and number to the district manager and he gave me the 1800WALMART number.

    Does anyone know who the district manager is and how I can get a hold of him?

    I am quite angry with this, especially after talking to the guy on the phone

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    If you want to impact this policy, go into Walmart and load the cart with things you want to buy - then uncover your weapon and walk around. If the management approaches you say, "I'm very sorry" and leave. If you're going to have an interaction, about 30 minutes should do it.

    Nothing like cause and effect. The manager can easily tell the complainants that State law allow it and there is nothing he can do. He can't stop you from walking out - not only losing the sale, but also the staff time to restock the items.

    It's all about the bottom line. If Walmart is like other stores, manager compensation is based on sales.



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    Walmart regional Manager 360-657-1192 Don Rosenborough

    And leave your CPL in the car.... No legal way to cover up.

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    "So I decided I would OC for the first time today."




    Guess you picked the wrong day

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    The manager can easily tell the complainants that State law allow it and there is nothing he can do.
    But that's not exactly true.

    State law may allow open carry, but it certainly doesn't prohibit the manager from setting policy right on the spot and telling you to cover up or leave.

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    Some numbnuts decided to tell me firearms were banned in every walmart store period (as I posted in another thread), citing the incident with the armor truck driver, and the fact he wasn't allowed to carry as an employee. I called the 1800WALMART number and asked to speak with someone about store policies and procedures regarding customers in their stores. The person I talked to said policy is to follow state law, and I requested they send an email saying so to the store I was at. They did, I've had no problem since.
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    deanf wrote:
    The manager can easily tell the complainants that State law allow it and there is nothing he can do.
    But that's not exactly true.

    State law may allow open carry, but it certainly doesn't prohibit the manager from setting policy right on the spot and telling you to cover up or leave.
    Dean, you're mixing things up here. Nobody here said that a manager couldn't toss you out. We recognize that they are allowed by law to do so. If Walmart says that they follow applicable laws at each store, then a manager who prohibits guns is going against corporate policy. As a practical matter this is a corporate problem but is based upon the law. I suggest calling Bentonville (Mecca to Walmart employees) and tell them that a local guy, security, manager, whatever, is countermanding corporate policies and driving customers away because of his refusal to properly explain company policy.

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    Is there any way to get a thread with coorperate stores policies from the higher ups so we can print them out and have name and numbers to cite in instances like these? Like Starbucks, and Wal-Mart and so on.
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    Dean, you're mixing things up here. Nobody here said that a manager couldn't toss you out.
    What does "State law allow (sic) it and there is nothing he can do" mean then?

    As a practical matter this is a corporate problem but is based upon the law.
    I don't understand what you mean by "but is based upon the law." Can you rephrase?

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    amzbrady wrote:
    Is there any way to get a thread with coorperate stores policies from the higher ups so we can print them out and have name and numbers to cite in instances like these? Like Starbucks, and Wal-Mart and so on.
    Done: http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?action=downloads

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    Is there any way to get a thread with coorperate stores policies from the higher ups so we can print them out and have name and numbers to cite in instances like these? Like Starbucks, and Wal-Mart and so on.
    Oh it can be done, but to what end? You can wave all the corporate paper policy you want in the face of a manager or any other employee, but the fact still remains: nothing in the law prohibits them from changing current policy or making new policy on the spot, at their sole discretion.

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    M1Gunr wrote:
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    Is there any way to get a thread with coorperate stores policies from the higher ups so we can print them out and have name and numbers to cite in instances like these? Like Starbucks, and Wal-Mart and so on.
    Done: http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?action=downloads
    Now isnt that handy, just need to update Starbucks on there.
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    Here is what I have learned by writing letters. We get corporate to say they abide by state law BUT they still allow store managers to reserve the right to ask us to leave.






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    In terms of the law: They can tell us to leave for whatever reason.

    In terms of their internal affairs: Policy states xyz. Manager tells customer to leave because of abc, despite xyz. Customer calls people in charge and complains. Higher ups tell store manager that policy is xyz. Repeat. If enough people do it enough, something will change. Either you'll not be bothered any more, or they'll make a well defined policy.


    it may very well be that policy says to follow law, but store managers can disallow at individual stores at their discretion. However, from my communications, policy is to simply follow local laws.
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    deanf wrote:
    The manager can easily tell the complainants that State law allow it and there is nothing he can do.
    But that's not exactly true.

    State law may allow open carry, but it certainly doesn't prohibit the manager from setting policy right on the spot and telling you to cover up or leave.
    Doesn't matter if it's "exactly true." Unless the manager is a zealot, he's taking the path of least resistance. In my work and personal life - and as demonstrated repeatedly on this board - people who quote "State law" or any other law, rarely know what they are talking about.

    The facts are that State law DOES allow for open carry so the manager is not lying. If the customer decides to follow up, he can get an education and the manager is off the hook, which is probably all he wants.

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    NavyLT wrote:
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    Here is what I have learned by writing letters. We get corporate to say they abide by state law BUT they still allow store managers to reserve the right to ask us to leave.
    And let us ASSume, and I know this is a STREEEEETCH.... but let's play along just for a minute, and believe the manager that more than one customer has complained about our firearm... now it is two or more complaints by customers against one. What is the smart business decision - strictly from business and not out of any sense of duty?

    Now Starbucks has a sense of duty and of what is right and wrong. Wal Mart has no sense of duty and what is right or wrong, they only have a sense of what makes the cash registers ring.

    Wal Mart has chosen to compromise on everything - the closest thing to an official corporate policy is to don't hassle the gun guy, UNTIL more customers complain about the gun than customers carrying the guns, and then they ask the gun guy to appease the complaining customers by covering it up, or at the risk of losing the one customer carrying the gun, vice the two or more complaining customers - ask for the one customer to leave.
    Soooooooo,

    What we should do everytime we go to Wally's is walk straight into the store and find the manager. Complain that everyone in the store is unarmed and you are very uncomfortable with this and demand that they all leave and only return armed! <sarcasm>
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    I have no idea why but after reading this I'm so incredibly compelled to post this shameless plug. No guns, no money, no problem.:shock:

    Iavoid Walmart whenever possible but they have some good motor oil. Everything else I can live without. Such as managers that are pro-crime. That is what they're saying when they say they're anti-gun, right? No? Could have fooled me.:?

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