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    A trooper was shot near Long Beach.They were on a dui stop .While one tropper took the woman to jail the other stayed to wait for a tow truck.He was ambushed from behind and even though shot in the head was able to return fire.The tow truck driver found him when he arrived.Suspect described as white male early 40s,5'11 scruffy unkempt appearence .I looked on KING's web site but it's not posted yet.The officer is in a Portland hospital and expected to pull through.

    In light of recent victories for gun owners you can bet the Brady campaign is going to spin this bigtime.Personally I think they should hunt this guy down and destroy him.

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    Holy $hit! Sounds like I wonder if a manhunt is being organized.
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    I have two sisters who live in Long Beach. I hope they catch this guy soon.

    P.S. Looking forward to meeting you guys on the way to Olympia tomorrow.
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    That would be Monday brother...
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    I hope he fully recovers, and we get this scumbag!

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    DEROS72 wrote:
    Personally I think they should hunt this guy down and destroy him.
    There you go again with your advocacyagainst the Bill of Rights which states:

    No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
    Is there any part of the Bill of Rights that you support?

    The type of behavior by police that you advocate is exactly what the people on these forums have to fight constantly

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    By "destroy him" I'm sure Deros means "read him his rights, handcuff him, and take him to jail to await trial".

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    SpyderTattoo wrote:
    That would be Monday brother...
    You mean tomorrow isn't Monday?

    Sorry, I was just getting ahead of myself. Gotta get this time machine fixed.
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    Yeah sure thats it ,thats what I mean!

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    Just want to remind everyone that I am still updating a map of police shootings around Washington State.

    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...mp;t=h&z=8

    It should have all, if not most of the shootings since the start of 2010 and some of the shootings in 2009, mostly from 4Q. The list on the left contains all of the shootings that are shown in the map, from top (most recent) to bottom (oldest). It contains the three recent incidents where officers were killed in our state. If you don't see some of the icons on the map, it is because you are zoomed out too far, zoom in on some of the areas, and the multiple icons will appear.

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    swatspyder wrote:
    Just want to remind everyone that I am still updating a map of police shootings around Washington State.

    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...mp;t=h&z=8

    It should have all, if not most of the shootings since the start of 2010 and some of the shootings in 2009, mostly from 4Q. The list on the left contains all of the shootings that are shown in the map, from top (most recent) to bottom (oldest). It contains the three recent incidents where officers were killed in our state. If you don't see some of the icons on the map, it is because you are zoomed out too far, zoom in on some of the areas, and the multiple icons will appear.
    As to the Union Gap shooting where 2 Officers shot a boy with a gun should read TOY GUN ! so it could represent the issue of those shot for displaying a toy gun.
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    swatspyder wrote:
    Just want to remind everyone that I am still updating a map of police shootings around Washington State.

    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...mp;t=h&z=8

    It should have all, if not most of the shootings since the start of 2010 and some of the shootings in 2009, mostly from 4Q. The list on the left contains all of the shootings that are shown in the map, from top (most recent) to bottom (oldest). It contains the three recent incidents where officers were killed in our state. If you don't see some of the icons on the map, it is because you are zoomed out too far, zoom in on some of the areas, and the multiple icons will appear.
    that’s the most stupidest thing I’ve seen all week. I was at home depot in Tukwila a couple weeks back, the cashier asked me if I wanted to donate money to the Lakewood fund. I said, what the hell would I do that for? They all have life insurance, the cashier said well do it for their children, I told him that their children will be the first to receive all the money the state pays to officers killed in the line of duty.

    Cops are not heroes, their just people making a living, like everyone else. Why not start a fund for the guy who makes ten dollars an hour and gets killed because some cops had an itchy trigger finger? what’s that guys name? I forget, because the media never mentions anything about him. Any human life lost is a tragedy, absolutely, but I hate the over glorifying of police.



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    PolskiG wrote:
    swatspyder wrote:
    Just want to remind everyone that I am still updating a map of police shootings around Washington State.

    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...mp;t=h&z=8

    It should have all, if not most of the shootings since the start of 2010 and some of the shootings in 2009, mostly from 4Q. The list on the left contains all of the shootings that are shown in the map, from top (most recent) to bottom (oldest). It contains the three recent incidents where officers were killed in our state. If you don't see some of the icons on the map, it is because you are zoomed out too far, zoom in on some of the areas, and the multiple icons will appear.
    that’s the most stupidest thing I’ve seen all week. I was at home depot in Tukwila a couple weeks back, the cashier asked me if I wanted to donate money to the Lakewood fund. I said, what the hell would I do that for? They all have life insurance, the cashier said well do it for their children, I told him that their children will be the first to receive all the money the state pays to officers killed in the line of duty.

    Cops are not heroes, their just people making a living, like everyone else. Why not start a fund for the guy who makes ten dollars an hour and gets killed because some cops had an itchy trigger finger? what’s that guys name? I forget, because the media never mentions anything about him. Any human life lost is a tragedy, absolutely, but I hate the over glorifying of police.

    Chill out dude. It's just like any other statistics. See the benefit in knowing where, when and why police have been shooting people in Washington.

    Edit to add, I could have just done one for ALL shootings in Washington, but I'd be updating stories of that crap way too often.

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    PolskiG wrote:
    Cops are not heroes, their just people making a living, like everyone else.
    With the single exception that cops put their lives on the line each and every day, to protect you and your family's way of life. No offense, but why would you post something like this on a forum where many of us have close friends that are law enforcement? What do you hope to gain from saying such things?

    I, for one, support law enforcement, and gave my "gun money fund" from the couple of months prior to the Lakewood shooting to the fund. I don't miss that money at all, considering the three LPD officers that I know personallyare still on the job.

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    My prayers to the guy.

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    PolskiG wrote:
    Cops are not heroes, their just people making a living, like everyone else. Why not start a fund for the guy who makes ten dollars an hour and gets killed because some cops had an itchy trigger finger? what’s that guys name? I forget, because the media never mentions anything about him. Any human life lost is a tragedy, absolutely, but I hate the over glorifying of police.
    You have a right to your opinion even though it is full of hate and disgust for law enforcement that serve us well minus a few misguided as I would place you into when it comes to being an armed citizen.

    They place their lives on the line everyday to do their chosen profession and it is not because of the pay or benefits it goes way beyond that as they have chose to protect our society at large.
    How does one pay for that? Try Respect to start with.
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    swatspyder wrote:
    Just want to remind everyone that I am still updating a map of police shootings around Washington State.

    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...mp;t=h&z=8

    It should have all, if not most of the shootings since the start of 2010 and some of the shootings in 2009, mostly from 4Q. The list on the left contains all of the shootings that are shown in the map, from top (most recent) to bottom (oldest). It contains the three recent incidents where officers were killed in our state. If you don't see some of the icons on the map, it is because you are zoomed out too far, zoom in on some of the areas, and the multiple icons will appear.
    Excellent information, thanks for the effort.



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    BigDave wrote:
    PolskiG wrote:
    Cops are not heroes, their just people making a living, like everyone else. Why not start a fund for the guy who makes ten dollars an hour and gets killed because some cops had an itchy trigger finger? what’s that guys name? I forget, because the media never mentions anything about him. Any human life lost is a tragedy, absolutely, but I hate the over glorifying of police.
    You have a right to your opinion even though it is full of hate and disgust for law enforcement that serve us well minus a few misguided as I would place you into when it comes to being an armed citizen.

    They place their lives on the line everyday to do their chosen profession and it is not because of the pay or benefits it goes way beyond that as they have chose to protect our society at large.
    How does one pay for that? Try Respect to start with.
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    Not wanting to take anything away from the many fine officers who serve, but the "put their life on the line" refrain doesn't really reflect the reality, at least not in recent years (see below). Law enforcement may be more dangerous than most office jobs, but:
    • Structural iron and steel workers (the guys that build high-rises) suffer on-the-job fataility rates twice that of law enforement.
    • Roofers have a fatality rate 50% higher.
    • General construction workers, and trash collectors, die at about the same rate LE.
    • And the real "winner" in the dying-on-the-job sweepstakes are commercial fishermen, with a fatality rate fully 5x that of law enforcement.
    Again, it's in no way disrespecting those who serve, to ask us to have a more accurate perspective about how dangerous their job is. In contrast, we don't hear much about "building contractors putting their lives on the line for us", do we?

    And of course, with the recent upsurge in shootings here in WA, we do have to wonder if this is just a statistical fluke, or if something more dire is underway.

    (Stats from: BLS Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries )



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    kparker wrote:
    Not wanting to take anything away from the many fine officers who serve, but the "put their life on the line" refrain doesn't really reflect the reality, at least not in recent years (see below). Law enforcement may be more dangerous than most office jobs, but:
    • Structural iron and steel workers (the guys that build high-rises) suffer on-the-job fataility rates twice that of law enforement.
    • Roofers have a fatality rate 50% higher.
    • General construction workers, and trash collectors, die at about the same rate LE.
    • And the real "winner" in the dying-on-the-job sweepstakes are commercial fishermen, with a fatality rate fully 5x that of law enforcement.
    Again, it's in no way disrespecting those who serve, to ask us to have a more accurate perspective about how dangerous their job is. In contrast, we don't hear much about "building contractors putting their lives on the line for us", do we?

    And of course, with the recent upsurge in shootings here in WA, we do have to wonder if this is just a statistical fluke, or if something more dire is underway.

    (Stats from: BLS Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries )

    With all due respect, and statistics not withstanding, you are not taking into account the causation of fatalities.

    There is a significant difference between fatalities that are due to the natural risk prone environment that steel workers, fishermen and construction workers place themselves in by their own (or their industries) poor safety practices while pushing for ever greater profit, and that of the induced risks placed upon LEOs by virtue of the requirements of their civil office and the totality of their duties.

    Your comparing apples to oranges.





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    FMCDH, you are absolutely right that I am not taking into account the intentionality factor, but I'm not sure that's relevant to my point. I was actually operating under the somewhat simpler concept "Dead is Dead".

    And the point is, when your friendly local crab fisherman heads off to work, the chances of him not coming back is much higher than it is for our LEO's. How is that not relevant?


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    This is exactly why I started carrying. We respond to police impounds and sometimes are left on scene while, WSP, GHSD, and OSPD, take off to finish their arrest. I went on a call one morning around 2 am, WSP called me out to tow an impound. I pulled up, signed the impound sheet and the Stater said "I got the driver, but the passenger got away on foot. I need to get going,yYou gonna be OK"? I told him yeah, but the whole time hooking up, I heard every little crunch and crackle, coming from the woods. I wouldnt normally care, but that morning I was extremely tired, and took off with my pistol in the safe. Never again after that, Younever know.
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    PolskiG had a bad experience with cops recently. Maybe that's playing a role in his current feelings toward police in general. It can be very difficult to maintain objectivity in certain circumstances. I have noticed in my own life that before I openly carried a pistol, I had no trouble with cops. Now since I started to OC I've had frequent, in comparison, incidents of attempted bullying. It's difficult to respect someone who is supposed to uphold the law but chooses instead to use his authority as a medium for harassment.

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    kparker wrote:
    FMCDH, you are absolutely right that I am not taking into account the intentionality factor, but I'm not sure that's relevant to my point. I was actually operating under the somewhat simpler concept "Dead is Dead".

    And the point is, when your friendly local crab fisherman heads off to work, the chances of him not coming back is much higher than it is for our LEO's. How is that not relevant?
    Because your equating the risks of "putting ones life on the line" primarily for others as being the same as putting ones life on the line primarily for ones own pocket book.

    As already stated by another, people generally don't get into law enforcement jobs for the benefit of the money. Some may get into law enforcement for the benefit of their own ego, but that's an irrelevant sub-culture.

    When police officers on average start making even close to the equivalent compensation as a novice crabber or fisherman can make (about 20,000 for three - five weeks work) than your comparison may become relevant.

    As it is, your average patrol officer makes about 40,000 - 60,000 a year considering all annual benefits and assuming about 5-10 years of experience.

    I see it as a comparison of the inherent and mitigate-able risks verses the possible payoffs of a profession. And I just don't see the LEO profession as having many more mitigate-able risks that don't directly and possibly negatively effect our own lives and liberties.

    Personally, I would be happy to pay a little more for crab, fish or a new house if it means less people have to die to get them for me.

    Are you willing to give up more of your own personal liberties to make a police officers job safer?

    I'm not. I would rather just give those who do the job the little extra respect and support they deserve for doing the job that I ask of them.


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    FMCDH wrote:
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    FMCDH, you are absolutely right that I am not taking into account the intentionality factor, but I'm not sure that's relevant to my point. I was actually operating under the somewhat simpler concept "Dead is Dead".

    And the point is, when your friendly local crab fisherman heads off to work, the chances of him not coming back is much higher than it is for our LEO's. How is that not relevant?
    Because your equating the risks of "putting ones life on the line" primarily for others as being the same as putting ones life on the line primarily for ones own pocket book.

    As already stated by another, people generally don't get into law enforcement jobs for the benefit of the money. Some may get into law enforcement for the benefit of their own ego, but that's an irrelevant sub-culture.

    When police officers on average start making even close to the equivalent compensation as a novice crabber or fisherman can make (about 20,000 for three - five weeks work) than your comparison may become relevant.

    As it is, your average patrol officer makes about 40,000 - 60,000 a year considering all annual benefits and assuming about 5-10 years of experience.

    I see it as a comparison of the inherent and mitigate-able risks verses the possible payoffs of a profession. And I just don't see the LEO profession as having many more mitigate-able risks that don't directly and possibly negatively effect our own lives and liberties.

    Personally, I would be happy to pay a little more for crab, fish or a new house if it means less people have to die to get them for me.

    Are you willing to give up more of your own personal liberties to make a police officers job safer?

    I'm not. I would rather just give those who do the job the little extra respect and support they deserve for doing the job that I ask of them.
    I am sorry but most leo's are adrenalin junkies. They go into this line of work primarily for the rush. They tend to use the "helping the public" line to camouflage the fact that it is the rush they are looking for. Sure some of their work is boring and routine but it is the prospect of conflict that keeps them showing up for work. I've known a number of leo's over the years and the do gooder variety are exceptionally rare. The vast majority of leo's fall into the same category as base jumpers, Nascar drivers and other rush seekers. They are very similar to fire fighters as they both prefer the ultimate risk taking. One that can take their life. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing but be realistic about why they serve. When a leo is killed in the line of duty it is a shock to most in the civilian community because the leo's are assumed to be the badest, toughest guys and gals on the block. While this may be true in alot of cases it is not always true. As it was in the old west the personality type that become leo's could just as easily become criminals. Many here will disagree with what I've said and that is fine however remember why we have this board and remember the multiple reports of leo's looking for conflict where there should be none. Societies around the world have historically done their best to recruit potential bad guys into law enforcement to offset the criminal elements that naturally exist. The problem those societies then face is keeping the leo's from trampling on the citizens rights while still being willing to go one on one with the "bad" guys. Is it a tragedy when an leo is killed in the line of duty? For their families yes but no more so than the fireman's family or for that matter any other family. Should we respect the leo's and the function they perform? Yes I believe so, however, we must remember that they are just men and women fulfilling a function that they are well suited to fulfill and that due to their aggressive nature they must be watched very closely to keep them from crossing the line.

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