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    Just started reading it tonight at work and although I'm only 200ish pages in (new security guard job... zzz...), this book should be REQUIRED reading in college.

    Here's a link to the Wikipedia article for the book:

    Has anyone else read it? What are your thoughts?

    (Please warn if you post spoilers, I'm not done reading it! heheh)

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    Haven't read it myself, but was surprised based on the Wiki article that it was all about gun laws/control.

    I assumed, based on the title, that it would cover good intentioned laws of all types that have unintended consequences, which most do.

    But, it does look like a good read, and I just might have to add it to my list of books I wish to acquire some day.
    Rand Paul 2016

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    it is an excellent read. I highly recommend it. It is almost as thick as a Bible though!

    Henry Bowman rocks.

    Anyone feel the need to feed the hogs?

    other excellent books: (although none as great as unintended consequences)

    molon labe (come and take them......if you can)
    patriots: surviving the coming collapse
    1 second after

    someone on mgo once asked where our gun laws came from.....and i wrote a several paragraph synopsis of unintended consequences.

    here is the link:
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (who will watch the watchmen?)

    I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of posts should be construed as legal advice.

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    Damn! 150 Bucks for a copy!

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    PilotPTK wrote:
    Damn! 150 Bucks for a copy!
    Didn't cost that much when I bought it for my father. Read it twice myself. Nice thing about that book is that for a large part of the book you can read it easily in segments.

    Looks like there is a paperback comming out. Appears to be almost as much as what I paid for mine six or seven years ago. I might have to contact the distributor and get one. I suggest others do as well.

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    i read my buddies copy. he said it cost $25 back when he got his.

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    PilotPTK wrote:
    Damn! 150 Bucks for a copy!
    I need to look around a bit...I recently saw someone that had it as a PDF.

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    hogfarmer wrote:
    i read my buddies copy. he said it cost $25 back when he got his.
    Cheap cheap. I'm pretty sure I paid more than that but could be wrong.

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    A short excerpt from the book that I think is most concise and interesting:

    Three-Tier Legal Status and
    Three-Tier Pricing Caused by the
    National Firearms Act Of 1934
    as Amended by the Gun Control Act of 1968
    Henry F. Bowman
    Professor Nelson
    Econ. 20
    March 12, 1974
    A year after the 1933 repeal of Prohibition, Congress passed the
    National Firearms Act of 1934 and created a situation that was (and is)
    both unique and bizarre. The situation is unique because no other
    consumer good or manufactured product in the entire country is treated
    under the law in the same way that NFA firearms are treated. The
    situation is bizarre because under this law, two absolutely identical
    guns, consecutively produced within one minute of each other by the
    same manufacturer on the same assembly line, can fall into such
    drastically different legal categories that possession of one has the
    government's blessing, while possession of the other (even by the same
    person) merits a ten-year prison sentence. As if this were not unusual
    enough, a 1968 amendment to the National Firearms Act now prohibits the
    owner of the "bad" weapon (whichever of the two guns it may be) from
    placing himself in compliance with federal law.

    The National Firearms Act introduced a huge distortion into the free
    market for all guns which fell under its scope. The result is a threetier
    pricing schedule in the market for firearms regulated by this
    obscure section of the U.S. Code, as well as several legal questions
    which, to date, have not yet been resolved.

    This paper addresses a distortion in the free market caused by
    government intervention. It is not intended to be a political science
    treatise. However, in order to fully understand this distortion and
    "how we got here", some history is in order. This is an unfamiliar area
    to most people, and it is quite possible that without a thorough
    explanation of the history behind current law, the average person would
    refuse to believe our present situation.
    The issue of owning militia-type arms to protect oneself and one's
    freedoms was not controversial in the early days of our country's
    history. It was taken for granted. All citizens of this country had
    this basic right. Prior to 1934, there were no federal laws regulating
    firearms ownership1, and prior to 1865, there were virtually no such
    state laws, either. All prohibitions (and attendant punishment) focused
    on violent criminal actions and not possession of inanimate objects.
    Two events changed this situation on a state level: The Emancipation
    Proclamation, and large-scale immigration. Many lawmakers did not like
    the idea of foreigners and former slaves having the same rights as
    whites. They especially disliked the idea of these "undesirables" being
    able to protect themselves and control their own destinies.

    Legislators didn't want blacks being able to defend their freedoms,
    either at the voting booth, or by having guns. Because the Second
    Amendment guaranteed the right to keep and bear arms, and the
    Fourteenth Amendment guaranteed equal protection under the law,
    legislative creativity was required.

    Poll taxes and literacy tests solved the problem of blacks voting.
    Blocking Constitutionally-protected black possession of inanimate
    objects required a slightly different strategy. One solution to the
    dilemma was to require permits to possess or to carry arms2 . These
    permits could then be arbitrarily denied. Another answer was for a
    state to enact an outright prohibition on carrying weapons for selfprotection3
    . These outright prohibitions were then selectively
    enforced. The South Carolina legislature, perhaps pleased with the
    success of their poll tax, passed a law in 1875 prohibiting ownership
    of all firearms other than those manufactured by Colt or Winchester1
    Since these makes were much more expensive than all others, this law
    was a novel way to prevent poor people of all races from having guns.

    Immigrants got similar treatment. In complete defiance of the U S.
    Constitution, California state law prohibited Chinese from testifying
    against whites in any court of law for a 20-year period in the late
    1800s5 . In New York, discussion urging the passage of the 1907 Sullivan
    Law made mention of how that law would make it illegal for "swarthy
    immigrants" to have guns6 . Texas gun restrictions subjugated Americans
    of Mexican origin7.

    All these laws, however, were passed on a state level. It was not until
    1934 that any federal law was enacted which affected firearms
    possession. There is some disagreement about the impetus behind this
    law, as will soon be discussed.
    The first significant federal gun law was passed in June of 1934 with
    minimal fanfare. It attracted little attention because it only affected
    a small number of arms: Full-automatic weapons (machine guns), rifles
    and shotguns with barrels shorter than eighteen inches (amended to
    sixteen inches for rifles in 1958), and rifles and shotguns with
    overall lengths less than twenty-six inches. These arms now fell under
    federal regulation. In addition, any device designed or redesigned to
    muffle the report of a firearm (a "silencer") also fell under the scope
    of the National Firearms Act8 , despite the fact that these devices were
    not and are not in any way, shape, or form, "firearms".

    Because of the Second Amendment, Congress realized it did not have the
    authority to ban these arms. Instead, the bill was slipped in as a
    revenue-raising measure under the Interstate Commerce Clause. Under the
    National Firearms Act, no person may transport, deliver, or sell in
    interstate commerce any firearm or silencer as described above without
    first having in his possession a stamp-affixed form for the firearm.
    The tax stamp must first be bought so that it can be affixed to the
    federal form when it is approved. For the form to be approved, the
    applicant must be fingerprinted, signed off by the local police chief,
    and submit to an FBI records check. The "stamp" referred to in the law
    costs $200. The owner of an NFA-regulated weapon must have this
    approved form (with the $200 stamp affixed) in his possession before
    the arm (or silencer) in question may be transported in interstate
    commerce. This $200 tax must be paid each time the NFA-regulated item
    changes ownership.

    Because of the size of the tax, the frequency with which it must be
    paid, and the method by which it is levied, the National Firearms Act
    bears a strong resemblance to the Stamp Act of 17659 .

    Being fingerprinted and forced to submit to an FBI investigation is
    unusual, to say the least, for a revenue-raising measure. To put this
    "revenue raising" tax in perspective, in 1934, $200 was more than a
    month's wages for a worker building Model "A"s on the Ford assembly
    line in Dearborn, Michigan10 . In the '20s, silencers sold for $2 in
    hardware stores and Thompson submachine guns could be bought out of the
    Sears catalog for $125. The idea that levying a $200 tax on these
    manufactured goods would actually raise revenue is absurd. The demand
    for each of the items covered by the National Firearms Act was elastic
    enough that virtually no one was willing to pay the government an
    additional $200 for any of them According to Treasury Department
    records, there was not a single tax-paid registration in 193411 , and
    there was one in 193512 .

    Another consequence of the Act was that new development of machine guns
    by individual inventors stopped overnight. Given that the vast majority
    of full-auto weapons now in use were designed by private individuals,
    this is a serious issue The U.S.'s foremost authority on machine guns,
    Lt. Col. George M. Chinn, has frequently described the Act a
    devastating blow to American security in that it has crippled all
    future military small arms development in this country and will
    continue to do so until it is repealed13 .

    After passage of the Act, there were only three classes of people who
    continued to buy these goods: Large companies bought the weapons for
    strike control and other labor relations purposes14 . Police
    departments, the military, and special occupational taxpayers15
    continued to buy, for they were exempt from the tax. Violent criminals
    continued to buy these weapons outside of legal channels, just as they
    had obtained liquor during Prohibition.
    This reality brings us to the next issue concerning this obscure
    federal law.
    In almost every published description of the National Firearms Act of
    1934 is a mention of the 1929 "St. Valentine's Day Massacre" , and a
    statement to the effect that the Act was passed because machine guns
    were being used with horrible results by bootleggers and other
    organized crime figures. There are several things wrong with this

    First, it is laughable to hope that people for whom murder is a
    standard business practice will go present themselves to the local
    police chief to get fingerprinted, and pay $200 for the privilege.
    Similarly, it is ludicrous to think that putting legal restrictions on
    firearms will reduce their availability to those people whose entire
    livelihood involves finding, buying, transporting, selling, and
    delivering illegal goods.

    Second, the highly publicized incidents of underworld gangs machinegunning
    each other over liquor shipments stopped overnight with the
    repeal of Prohibition, which occurred a full year before passage of the
    National Firearms Act.

    Third, the Act also affects weapons other than machine guns; rifles and
    shotguns with barrels or overall lengths below a certain minimum are
    regulated by the NFA. It is very difficult to conceive of a reason why
    the owner of a shotgun with a barrel 17 1/2" long should be charged
    with a felony if he refuses to be fingerprinted and pay $200, when
    owning a shotgun with a barrel a half-inch longer is no crime at all.
    To compound this utter absence of logic, under the National Firearms
    Act a person becomes a felon if he affixes a piece of wood to the butt
    of his pistol (doubling the weapon's physical size), for he is now in
    possession of a "short-barreled rifle", which is covered by the Act.
    To make the final leap from the illogical to the ridiculous, the Act
    regulates noise mufflers, which are not firearms at all. Hollywood to
    the contrary, the FBI has been unable to document a single case of a
    firearm silencer being used in a crime in the last fifty years17 . Given
    that citizens fire upwards of six billion rounds of ammunition per
    year18' , the inclusion of silencers into the NFA is one of the greatest
    contributors to hearing loss in the United States and therefore must
    rank as one of the largest public health blunders of this century19 .
    The real reason for the passage of the National Firearms Act can be
    summed up in four words: Expansion of federal powers. In 1934, two
    major changes had recently occurred in the United States. The first was
    that Franklin Roosevelt had initiated an exponential increase in the
    size and power of the federal government. The second change was the
    ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment, which repealed Prohibition.
    Let us examine the latter incident first.

    In the thirteen years that Prohibition had been in effect, there was a
    great proliferation of people involved in the illicit manufacture,
    importation, and distribution of alcohol. This in turn produced a
    tremendous expansion of the Treasury Department and the number of its
    agents20 . With repeal, liquor distribution was done by legitimate
    businessmen, and thousands of Treasury agents were idled. Federal
    legislation levying $200 taxes on goods worth between $3 and $100 was
    guaranteed to promote non-compliance by the citizens, thereby giving
    former Prohibition agents something to enforce.

    It is interesting to note that the original draft of the National
    Firearms Act included all handguns then in existence in the United
    States. Because of the handgun language, some of the strongest
    opposition to the original version of the National Firearms Act came
    from women, who were vulnerable to attack from stronger assailants and
    got the greatest benefit from being able to carry a small weapon for
    personal protection.

    The number of pistols and revolvers in the U.S in 1934 has been
    variously estimated at between thirty and one hundred million21 Compare
    this figure with perhaps one million machine guns and short-barreled
    long guns that fell under the Treasury's jurisdiction in the National
    Firearms Act's final form22 . One can only guess at what would have
    happened if in 1934 the government had told every citizen to cough up
    $200 for each handgun he owned that he might some day want to take or
    ship across state lines.

    The removal of handguns from the National Firearms Act may explain the
    odd inclusion of silencers in the legislation. In the first third of
    this century, silencers were commonly available in any store where
    firearms were sold. The term "silencer" is in fact a misnomer It was a
    trade name coined by Hiram P. Maxim, an automotive engineer who applied
    the principles of muffler design to safety valves, compressors,
    blowers, and firearms23 . A "silencer" does not make a firearm
    noiseless, any more than the muffler on a diesel truck exhaust conceals
    the fact that the truck is approaching24 . With the 1934 Act making it a
    felony to transport common noise mufflers in interstate commerce
    without paying $200 (each!) to the government, millions of citizens
    were now in violation of federal law.

    Although the National Firearms Act stipulated a grace period where
    owners could register these weapons and silencers free of charge, the
    Treasury reported that a grand total of 15,791 registrations occurred
    in this period25 . This indicates approximately 1% compliance. The 1934
    Act was thus a huge success at turning millions of citizens into

    The National Firearms Act fit in perfectly with the systematic creation
    of government programs and deficit spending that Franklin Roosevelt
    immediately began to institute the instant he took office. The NFA was
    a model vehicle for the continued expansion of government power: It was
    arbitrary (i.e. the 18-inch rule); it gave the government sweeping
    authority over something very common; it focused on inanimate objects
    rather than criminal behavior; it levied draconian taxes on these
    objects; and most importantly, it created millions of criminals with
    the stroke of a pen, just as Prohibition had.

    A clear example of the fact that the National Firearms Act had nothing
    to do with crime and everything to do with government power occurred
    immediately prior to its passage. Senator Hatton Sumners of Texas, the
    Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, had been a virulent opponent
    of the proposed bill and had bottled it up because it "did violence to
    states' rights"26 . On April 23, 1934, Roosevelt called Sumners into the
    White House for a chat. Sumners agreed to vote for passage27.
    After the NFA was passed, sales of affected items came to an abrupt
    halt. Domestic firearms manufacturers stopped producing any long guns
    with barrels shorter than 18". They also quit making any pistols with
    lugs on the butt for shoulder stocks. Manufacturers of noise reducers
    (most notably the Maxim Silencer Co.) went out of business entirely.
    After the short grace period, citizens who owned NFA-regulated items on
    which the tax had not been paid had several choices. The first was to
    pay $200 to the Treasury for each item. In 1934, no one did this. The
    second choice was to relinquish NFA-regulated items to the Treasury
    without any compensation. No one did this, either. The third option,
    theoretically at least, was to avoid selling or transporting anything
    covered under the Act outside the state. The fourth was to disassemble
    the machine gun, short-barreled long gun, or silencer so that it was
    inoperable, and keep the parts separate. In the case of short-barreled
    arms, the owner could also replace the barrel with one of 18" or
    longer, and have a legal, functional gun again without paying $200.
    Short-barreled rifles and shotguns were produced in low numbers in the
    years prior to 193428 but the same could not be said for machine guns.
    The Colt-manufactured Thompson, BAR, and belt-fed Brownings had all
    been produced in large numbers and had been available on the civilian
    market for over a decade. Furthermore, two million American soldiers
    had been sent to Europe in WWI, and over half of these had served in
    combat units. These veterans brought home many "war trophies", as they
    are called, with complete legality29. Machine guns were a relatively new
    and interesting battlefield weapon in 191830, and captured examples were
    brought home by most soldiers. A conservative estimate of the fullautomatic
    WWI weapons brought into the United States by the returning
    two million veterans is one million31. Other knowledgeable sources place
    the figure at over twice that32.

    The Treasury Department decreed that owners of these weapons could
    either register them for $200, or remove critical parts (such as the
    bolt) from them, which would render them inoperable. In this latter
    case, the gun was no longer considered a weapon subject to registration
    and $200 tax, but rather a "DEWAT", which was the Treasury's acronym
    (sort of) for Deactivated War Trophy.

    When agents encountered an otherwise law-abiding citizen with a nontaxed
    machine gun in his possession, standard procedure was to give him
    the choice of paying the $200 tax and registering it "live", or
    removing the bolt and/or other internal parts.

    As years passed, the economy improved, wages and prices went up, and
    the U.S. fought in two more wars. A few million more veterans returned
    home from WWII and Korea with a few million more war trophies. By the
    '50s and '60s, some citizens actually were paying $200 and getting tax
    stamps from the Treasury Department on weapons brought back from WWI,
    WWII, and Korea, and on newly-purchased machine guns from the many
    manufacturers around the world.
    In 1968, the National Firearms Act was amended by the Gun Control Act
    of 1968. This 1968 law enacted sweeping infringements on citizens'
    rights to purchase and own virtually all types of guns. In also
    introduced a "sporting use" test on importation of firearms and
    ammunition. If certain guns or ammunition were determined by the
    Director of the Treasury to be not suitable for "sporting use",
    importation of them was prohibited. The fact that the Bill of Rights
    concerns the preservation of freedom and not recreation is ignored in
    the 1968 Act. A 1939 Supreme Court decision ruling that military
    weapons are Constitutionally protected whereas sporting arms are not33
    was ignored also.

    GCA '68 also contained language which modified the treatment under the
    law of NFA-regulated weapons. Since these provisions did not
    immediately affect nearly as many people as the rest of the new
    legislation, their significance was not fully understood at the time.
    Under the new provisions, all existing machine guns in the hands of
    U.S. citizens had to be registered with the NFA immediately, including
    DEWATS. A one-month Amnesty was instituted where the $200-per-gun NFA
    tax was waived. After this amnesty ended, however, registration of
    existing non-taxed machine guns was prohibited. Registration of machine
    guns manufactured in the U.S. after passage of these provisions posed
    serious problems for citizens and created legal questions that have not
    to this day been addressed.

    First of all, among the millions of owners of live machine guns and
    DEWATS, not everyone even knew about the one-month amnesty before it
    was over. Second, of those who were aware of the one-month grace
    period, there was a tremendous fear that the entire amnesty was a trap
    and the guns presented for registration would be confiscated. For this
    reason, only a tiny fraction of machine guns and DEWATS were submitted
    for NFA registration during the Amnesty34.

    The 1968 amendments to the National Firearms Act and the one-time
    Amnesty completely ignored the fact that the Act only applies to those
    weapons transported in interstate commerce. The 1934 Act does not apply
    to a machine gun owner who never takes his gun out of state. The 1968
    amendments have placed such owners in the position where they cannot
    now comply with the law. An owner of a machine gun on which the tax has
    not been paid is prohibited by the 1968 amendments from paying the tax
    and putting the weapon on the NFA registry. This has created a
    situation not duplicated anywhere else in the entire U.S. Code.
    As an example of how this law introduces a severe distortion into both
    the economy and the lives of U.S. citizens, let us look at an example:
    A coal company heir owns a consecutive numbered pair of Model 1921
    Thompson guns, serial numbers 1410 and 1411, which have been in his
    family in the same location since the mid-1920s. In 1965 (but this
    could be any year between 1934 and 1968), thinking he might someday
    want to take one of the guns outside the state, he pays $200 and
    registers one of them (either one) under NFA 1934. Just to be safe, he
    removes the bolt from the other, rendering it inoperable. Prior to GCA
    1968, he was in complete compliance with the law.

    Today, the taxed gun is completely transferable to other citizens, and
    the gun can change hands an indefinite number of times, providing
    police and FBI checks are performed and $200 is paid to the Treasury
    for a tax stamp each time the weapon is transferred.

    Ownership of the non-taxed gun (the one without the bolt) is a felony35
    , and there is no provision in the law to allow the owner to place this
    weapon on the NFA registry. He can offer to pay two million dollars
    instead of two hundred, and he will still be denied registration. Under
    present interpretations of the 1968 amendments, the 1921 Thompson
    without the bolt is contraband and it must be surrendered to BATF
    without any compensation. A Model 1921 Thompson is worth between $1500
    and $2000 at the time of this writing if it is transferable36.

    There is another serious problem caused by the 1968 amendments to the
    1934 Act. The "sporting test" section of the 1968 Act prohibits
    importation of non-sporting weapons and ammunition into the U.S. This
    includes importation of U.S.-made weapons produced before 1968 but
    which were outside the country at the time GCA 1968 was passed. The
    exemption for this import ban is for military and law enforcementrelated
    sales. Thus, a 1921 Thompson gun currently in England (there
    are thousands there) may only be imported into the United States by an
    agency of the U.S. Government, a police department, or a special
    occupational taxpayer who may then sell it only to one of these two
    types of purchasers.
    The example listed above makes it clear that government regulation has
    created three-tier status for identical manufactured goods. Machine
    guns made in the United States can fall into three categories: a) Fully
    transferable to any law-abiding resident37 upon federal approval after
    FBI investigation and payment of $200 to the Treasury; b) Transferable
    (tax-exempt) to Special Occupational Taxpayers, police, or government
    agencies; and c) contraband weapons which may not be made legal.
    These three different legal categories result in three different prices
    for otherwise identical guns. To continue the Thompson example, a
    transferable, mint-condition 1921 Thompson now brings approximately
    $1800 on the U.S. collector market38 . An identical gun recently
    imported from England and sitting in a customs bonded warehouse will
    bring at most $150, for it can only be sold to police and government
    agencies, and these entities are not willing to pay much for obsolete,
    fifty-year-old weapons. What the third gun is worth is anyone's guess,
    for the only buyers for it will be those willing to risk a felony
    conviction39 .
    The Gun Control Act of 1968, with its amendments to the National
    Firearms Act of 1934, is a recent continuation of the trend started
    during the Roosevelt Administration towards more government and less
    freedom. Recent and current Administrations show no sign of reversing
    this trend. When freedom is at odds with government policy, one of two
    things eventually happens: Either freedom is crushed, or political
    leaders are forced out in disgrace and replaced with guardians of
    individual liberty.
    The National Firearms Act of 1934 is a bad law. Colonel Chinn has said
    on many occasions that the 1934 Act is the single most devastating
    piece of legislation to this nation's defense ever enacted.

    From an economic viewpoint, the NFA of 1934 is a bad law because its
    tax is so high that it stops enterprise cold and distorts the free
    market. NFA 1934 is a bad law because it raises virtually no revenue
    at; all, when a $5 tax and relaxed regulations might easily raise
    millions of dollars for the Treasury Department.

    The 1968 amendments to the 1934 Act are bad law because these
    amendments actually prohibit those people who want to pay the tax on
    their guns from doing so. These 1968 amendments have made criminals out
    of people with no criminal intent, and give these citizens no option
    other than to surrender their property without compensation. These are
    the kinds of laws which led to the American Revolution. The National
    Firearms Art of 1934 should be repealed in its entirety.
    1. There was a law enacted in 1920 which prohibited sending handguns
    through the mail except by law enforcement entities, and required that
    a common carrier be used instead.
    2. Laws of this nature were passed in many states at one time or
    another. Notable exceptions were Vermont and New Hampshire.
    3. Many states, including my native Missouri, have such outright
    prohibitions. Such statutes rely on vague wording, such as Missouri's
    prohibition on carrying a weapon for protection into any "church,
    school, or any other assembly of persons met for any lawful purpose."
    (emphasis added) This last item allows police to arrest blacks and
    ignore whites.
    4. I have not found the actual text of this law, but there are many
    references to it in several publications.
    5. Stanford Lyman, Chinese Americans (New York: Random House, 1974)
    6. This phrase became a buzzword with many politicians who wanted to
    expand their political power, and is found in numerous texts.
    7. Many people have serious misconceptions of Texas law, and think of
    that state as one where everyone carries guns legally. Nothing could be
    further from the truth. There is no provision in Texas law to carry a
    weapon for protection outside your home or automobile. Those who do are
    relying on the crony system to save them.
    8. NFA of 1934, Section 11.
    9. On March 22, 1765, Parliament levied a tax on the Colonists'
    newspapers and legal and commercial documents, all of which had to
    carry a special stamp. The Colonists formed the first intercolonial
    Congress which met in October of that year to declare American rights
    and grievances, specifically concerning the Stamp Act. Parliament
    rescinded the Stamp Act in March of 1766, but coupled this recission
    with passage of the Declaratory Act, claiming England's supremacy over
    America "in all cases whatsoever". The Colonists rights and their
    insistence on maintaining them became the basis for the American
    10. About $5 a day, according to a conversation with Arthur Wilkes, who
    was an assemblyline worker during that period.
    11. New York Times. Dec. 25, 1934.
    12. New York Times. Nov. 6, 1936.
    13. Given that the most reliable U.S. designs now in use (1919A4,
    1917A1, ANM2, MG52A, M2HB, BAR, M14, M1A1) were all developed by
    private citizens, and the guns with major flaws (M60) were designed by
    companies, Chinn's comment cannot be disregarded.
    14. "You could not run a coal company without machine guns" is a quote
    widely ascribed to industrialist Richard B. Mellon. Other large
    companies with union problems (auto manufacturers, for example)also
    purchased machine guns.
    15. Special Occupational Taxpayers are those who pay an annual
    licensing fee to actively deal in NFA-regulated items
    16. Al Capone, irritated at having fifteen of his men killed in three
    months by 'Bugs' Koran's North-Side gang, arranged a trap. On his
    orders, a truckload of stolen whiskey was offered to the North-Siders
    at an attractive price, with another truckload to follow if Moran was
    satisfied. He was, and the second truck was sent to a trucking
    warehouse owned by Moran. As this second delivery was being made, a car
    appearing to be a Chicago Police vehicle pulled up. The "officers"
    lined Moran's gang up against a wall, and the North-Siders assumed it
    was time to pay off the policemen. Instead, the men dressed as officers
    (but working for Capone) killed all seven of them, using two Thompson
    Submachine Guns. The date was February 14, 1929.
    17. Pillows and blankets have been used, because they more completely
    eliminate the noise. Knives are also very commonly used as murder
    18. Spokesmen for Olin-Mathieson and Remington-Peters state that these
    two companies produce over two billion rounds each for domestic
    consumption. With other companies and imports added in, the actual
    total is much higher.
    19. Many European rifle ranges mandate the use of silencers for this
    20. The actual increase in the number of agents is unknown. The
    Treasury's budget for this type of work in 1932, however, was over ten
    times what it had been in 1918.
    21 Domestic production of handguns in 1928 exceeded 5 million units
    Given that firearms almost never wear out, the 100 million figure may
    actually be low
    22. This number takes known domestic sales and assumes that, on
    average, one out of every three soldiers returning from WWI brought
    back one machine gun. If the discussions I have had with WWI vets are
    typical, the 1 million figure is low.
    23 Hiram Percy Maxim was the son of Hiram Stevens Maxim, who invented
    the first practical machine gun in 1884. No evidence has been found to
    indicate that the National Firearms Act was intended to single out the
    inventions of the Maxim family. It just ended up that way.
    24. Noise reducers for firearms are less effective than those for
    engines for two reasons: first, gas pressure in a gun barrel is much
    higher than exhaust pressure in a tailpipe. Second, a design for a gun
    must include a straight, open path from the gun's muzzle to the exit
    end of the silencer to permit passage of the bullet. A muffler for an
    engine may employ all manner of reversing baffles, diffusing screens,
    and serpentine pathways to redirect exhaust gases that don't contain
    chunks of lead traveling at supersonic speeds.
    25 New York Times, December 25, 1934.
    26. William J. Helmer, The Gun That Made the Twenties Roar (London:
    MacMillan & Co., 1969) p.125
    27. New York Times. April 24, 1934
    28. Ithaca Gun Company produced the "Auto and Burglar" gun and
    Harrington & Richardson made the "Handi-gun" in modest numbers. Both
    are now collector's items.
    29. Bringing home U.S. ordnance is technically theft of government
    property, but at the end of a war it is typical for a U.S. soldier to
    keep the weapon he carried in combat without comment from the
    authorities. Arms captured from the enemy have always (prior to 1968)
    been acceptable for U.S. soldiers to bring home.
    30. WWI was the first major war fought with them.
    31. Thomas J. Fleming, in a phone conversation 8/27/70
    32. Lt. Colonel George M. Chinn, author of the now-declassified 2000-
    page work The Machine Gun for the Department of the Navy, in a phone
    conversation 8/30/70
    33. U.S. vs. Miller, United States Supreme Court, May 15, 1939
    34. Many of the people I have spoken to who had a significant number
    (20 or more) of non-taxed NFA weapons and DEWATs decided to Amnestyregister
    two or three guns, hedging their bets in case of confiscation.
    35. As the law is now being interpreted. The case mentioned before
    where the gun has never crossed state lines has not yet been tested in
    36. From current price lists from six Special Occupational Taxpayers
    licensed to deal in these type of weapons.
    37. Individual state laws may prohibit ownership.
    38. Average of several advertised in dealer publications. Examples with
    a documented history (i.e. a weapon owned and used by "Pretty Boy"
    Floyd) command a premium.
    39. Police and dealers I questioned were uneasy about estimating the
    "street value" of a non-taxed Thompson Submachine Gun. The only dealer
    who was willing to say anything at all suggested "Couple hundred bucks,
    tops" as an estimate.
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    I read the book in Oct 96, and second only to the Bible, it is hands down, thebest book I ever read and like the Bible it has changed my life. I have beenHogfarmer on every forum and web based sign-in since (with some variations) and have encouraged anyone who I thought might be interested to read it. Prior to our current political and economical climate you could find this book on Ebay for $20-30 I was looking for a spare at the time, but after reading this thread I can't believe how much they increased in value; it sure says a lot about the pulse of the nation right now.

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    TheSzerdi: Absolutely should be required reading. I seldomly have the opportunity to read for pleasure, but I made time for Unintended Consequences and it was well worth the time. You might recognize that some of the character names from the book are slight variations of names of well-known individuals who have become fixtures in gun culture. That includes a couple from Michigan!

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    Just finished this book today. Damn good read. Everyone who OC's should read it and love it. The facts are good, the story is good, and as a bonus you get some great arguments to use against the anti's.

    The two men turned to look at the next speaker, who was being introduced by the Master of Ceremonies. The speaker was a man of medium height with short dark hair, who wore a navy blue suit and a lightcolored yarmulke. His name was Jay Simkin, and he was a Holocaust scholar speaking for the civil rights organization Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.

    "There have been many genocides in the last century," Simkin said. "The Holocaust was not the largest. There have been at least two other genocides, one of them much more recent, which have been even larger. The Holocaust has received much more coverage and discussion than any other genocide, for two reasons. It is the only genocide that has been carefully researched and documented, and it is the only genocide where the ones responsible have been brought to public trial for their crimes."

    The two men listened, along with the rest of the crowd, as Simkin discussed the Holocaust and all the other genocides of the twentieth century. The Times reporter was familiar with much of the speech, for he had read Simkin's first book Gateway to Tyranny, which included the entire text of the Nazi gun law of 1938, printed next to the U.S. law passed thirty years later. The domestic legislation appeared to have been copied verbatim from the German.

    The other, less-familiar genocides were covered in Simkin's second work, Lethal Laws, which had just been published. In each case, the mass killings had been preceded by gun bans, and Simkin's book documented this. The two men watched as he held aloft a copy of the book and began talking about a current genocide in the central African country of Rwanda.

    "I hold in my hand at this moment as I speak the authentic text of Rwanda's gun control law passed 21 November 1964 as published by the Rwanda government. This document is the key to the murder of over 250,000 people in the last several months. During all the tremendous news coverage of the slaughter in Rwanda," Simkin thundered, "there is one simple question that no journalist from any national publication has addressed. It is a question that goes to the heart of every genocide that has ever occurred. That question is this: How is it physically possible that so many people could be murdered in a so short a time by a mere handful of oppressors? The answer is gun control.

    "There is a downside to gun control, and it is not, I repeat not, inconvenience to hunters, and it is not inconvenience to people who want to buy a gun for the purpose of target shooting. The downside to gun control is genocide. Mountains of corpses. In each of the seven major genocides in this century in which over 56 million people were murdered, including millions of children, there was, on the books, prior to the onset of the genocide, at least one and in most cases several gun control laws. You cannot have a genocide without having gun control."


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    You can get most of those books at the local library or they can order them in for you if you ask !!!

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    Wow, a book in a week:shock:? Wish I had a job where I could read a book a week...wish I had a job... on second thought I wish I could read. Guess I better get busy on that stack of books holding down the table over there.springerdave.

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    Sitting in a guard shack at a warehouse for 8 hours = about 6.5 hours of reading time per shift. Easiest job ever.

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