Results 1 to 25 of 25

Thread: Are there any non anti gun articles about the restaurant carry bill?

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    227

    Post imported post

    So this is the latest article I've seen but others have been in the same fashion
    http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/84361547.html

    Are there any articles that aren't anti gun about the restaurant? Seems like there should be positive articles out there too. With all this bad media attention is this bill expected to pass? Do any of you know when it will be voted on again?

  2. #2
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    US
    Posts
    3,156

    Post imported post

    "It's ridiculous" said gun owner Ray Masters. "People when they're drinking should not have guns."
    a few sentences earlier...

    But, they would not be allowed to drink while carrying it.

  3. #3
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705

    Post imported post

    That is one of the most defective articles I've seen in a long time. I submitted a comment, but they are moderated, so who knows when or if it will show up.

    TFred

    There are so many things wrong with this article, it is difficult to know where to begin.

    There are no bars in Virginia. There are only restaurants that serve alcohol. Places like Ruby Tuesday, where you would take your family for dinner.

    Perhaps you scrounged up a couple gun owners who oppose this bill. If you were to conduct a poll, you'd find it has overwhelming support.

    State law CURRENTLY ALLOWS for the OPEN CARRY of firearms in restaurants that serve alcohol, and there is NO restriction on having a drink or two. One is not allowed to be under the influence while carrying a firearm. By prohibiting drinking for concealed carriers, this bill is actually more strict!

    The VAST majority of states allow firearms to be carried in alcohol-serving restaurants, and despite the cries of "blood in the streets", it just does not happen. There is simply no fact-based reason to deny law-abiding citizens the means to defend themselves against criminals in restaurants that also serve alcohol.

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    227

    Post imported post

    That's the main reason I posted it here.

  5. #5
    Accomplished Advocate peter nap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    13,580

    Post imported post


  6. #6
    Accomplished Advocate peter nap's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    13,580

    Post imported post

    Check once in a while and one comes up.
    http://news.oldva.org/

    I update the feeds once a day.



  7. #7
    Founder's Club Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Lynchburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,201

    Post imported post

    One of the posters atPeter Nap'ssyndicate feed seems to think that although OC is legal, no restaurant actuallyallows for it. I've provided a bit of input to set him straight. Perhaps some others here can chime in as well.

  8. #8
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705

    Post imported post

    The original article has approved a bunch of comments, and while most are supportive, the nuts are falling off the trees as well:

    Posted by: Don't want to be shot by you Location: Charlottesville on Feb 15, 2010 at 11:23 AM

    Won't argue whether you have a right to own a gun or not but I have a right not to be shot by your stupid self with your stupid gun...that's not liberal ideology that's self preservation. Guns don't kill people, people kill people and people are generally not very smart nor do they exercise good judgement. If the vast majority are too ignorant to clean snow off their cars and not park in spots other people labored to clear of snow then they are not to be trusted with weapons. Criminals carry guns because they are criminals. If criminals are carrying and you are too, then I hope it's you shot dead in the gun fight. If you're a local business person and you support this or have a concealed carry permit, reveal yourself now so I know not to do business with you!
    Wow. This is clearly a criminal who doesn't want to face armed victims.

    TFred


  9. #9
    Regular Member wylde007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Va Beach, Occupied VA
    Posts
    3,037

    Post imported post

    Dan Casey's been getting a lot of mileage out of it.
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
    Novos ordo seclorum ~ Mustaine

    Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  10. #10
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705

    Post imported post

    TFred wrote:
    That is one of the most defective articles I've seen in a long time. I submitted a comment, but they are moderated, so who knows when or if it will show up.

    TFred

    There are so many things wrong with this article, it is difficult to know where to begin.

    There are no bars in Virginia. There are only restaurants that serve alcohol. Places like Ruby Tuesday, where you would take your family for dinner.

    Perhaps you scrounged up a couple gun owners who oppose this bill. If you were to conduct a poll, you'd find it has overwhelming support.

    State law CURRENTLY ALLOWS for the OPEN CARRY of firearms in restaurants that serve alcohol, and there is NO restriction on having a drink or two. One is not allowed to be under the influence while carrying a firearm. By prohibiting drinking for concealed carriers, this bill is actually more strict!

    The VAST majority of states allow firearms to be carried in alcohol-serving restaurants, and despite the cries of "blood in the streets", it just does not happen. There is simply no fact-based reason to deny law-abiding citizens the means to defend themselves against criminals in restaurants that also serve alcohol.
    They took my suggestion and added a poll!!

    Hit it!!

    http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlin...rySection=poll

    TFred

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    22

    Post imported post

    I don't think overwhelming was a strong enough word for how that poll is going. :celebrate

  12. #12
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705

    Post imported post

    GuitarMan270 wrote:
    I don't think overwhelming was a strong enough word for how that poll is going. :celebrate
    One of two possible answers... a) they are genuinely interested in the public opinion, or more likely b) they didn't have a clue that the public does overwhelmingly support this law.

    Maybe both, but I doubt it.

    TFred

  13. #13
    Founder's Club Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Lynchburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,201

    Post imported post

    http://www2.newsadvance.com/lna/news...orrisome/24123

    Here's another worry-wart who has know clue on existing law. I provided a comment under "JRM", however the postings are moderated and I'm waiting to see if it will show up.

  14. #14
    Activist Member Wolf_shadow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Accomac, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    1,213

    Post imported post

    I replied as fireman, his article shows he didn't do much research;

    In your article you state; While restaurant owners can keep people from smoking or wearing shorts inside their establishments, they can’t stop them from bringing in guns?"



    The restaurant owner can always keep people from carring a handgun by putting up signs letting people know their establishment is a gun free criminal safe zone. These signs will be headed by law abiding gun owners, but won't stop a criminal that doesn't care about the law.



    You also make the statement; “But no self-respecting criminal is going to shoot or rob somebody in a restaurant with dozens of witnesses.” Try to search the internet sometime. I typed restaurant robberies into Google search and got ten pages. for example:

    Restaurant robbery rash reflects economy; http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_80953031/

    Oakland crackdown on restaurant robberies; http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-08-0...-and-employees

    Two restaurant robberies under investigation in Forest Acres; http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11875798



    Your example of the Lynchburg Circuit Court Case is an example of a probable criminal to start with. Law abiding Concealed Handgun Permit holders carry the handgun in a holster not the waistband of their pants. As it stands now a large number of restaurants now welcome handgun owners. It's is legal to carry in a restaurant that serves beer and wine if the handgun is visible. Something on the order of 60 adults and children are planning to attend a get together at a restaurant in Yorktown on Wednesday night, where the owners know most of the adults will be armed and welcome them.

    jmelvin your comments were there. Now to see if mine make it
    Yes I carry a Bible and a Gun, your point.
    Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos (meaning: "A defence of liberty against tyrants")
    Benjamin Franklin said, "A government that does not trust it's citizens with guns is a government that should not be trusted."



  15. #15
    Regular Member wylde007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Va Beach, Occupied VA
    Posts
    3,037

    Post imported post

    It's is legal to carry in a restaurant that serves beer and wine if the handgun is visible.
    It is legal to carry in a restaurant that serves liquor, which is actually a different ABC license than one for beer and wine.
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
    Novos ordo seclorum ~ Mustaine

    Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  16. #16
    Activist Member Wolf_shadow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Accomac, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    1,213

    Post imported post

    wylde007 wrote:
    It's is legal to carry in a restaurant that serves beer and wine if the handgun is visible.
    It is legal to carry in a restaurant that serves liquor, which is actually a different ABC license than one for beer and wine.
    oops typing to fast fingers got ahead of the brain.
    Yes I carry a Bible and a Gun, your point.
    Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos (meaning: "A defence of liberty against tyrants")
    Benjamin Franklin said, "A government that does not trust it's citizens with guns is a government that should not be trusted."



  17. #17
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Prince William Co, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    105

    Post imported post

    Morons. Anyone like that one guy ("Don't want to be shot by you") who would presume I'm out and about with the intent of going OK Corral is sorely mistaken. All things being equal, I'm likely to do the right thing if others' lives are in jeopardy; but the whole point is escaping a situation (with family if present) alive and with no more ventilation than we had to begin with. I only get paid to get shot when deployed - I don't intend to take one for free from a thug because I thought this knucklehead who finds my personal choices so abhorrent that he refuses to protect himself suddenly "needs" my protection.

    It's the story of the ant and the cricket - don't plan to hide behind me just because you failed to prepare.

  18. #18
    Regular Member wylde007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Va Beach, Occupied VA
    Posts
    3,037

    Post imported post

    AIC869 wrote:
    but the whole point is escaping a situation (with family if present) alive and with no more ventilation than we had to begin with.
    I had a restaurant owner, pseudo-friend of mine tell me that he didn't want guns in his restaurant because he doesn't trust some of his staff (what does that tell you?) but that I was welcome to store my weapon in my car and go get it if anything were to ever happen.

    This dude is so far out in lala land I can't even begin.

    You are absolutely, 100% right. If the BG comes in the front door shooting and I can get me and my family out the back door, what is my motivation (lawfully, intrinsically and practically) to arm myself and re-enter the establishment?

    Oh, yeah. It's the owner of Tautog's/Doc Taylor's on 23rd Street, BTW. Even my wife (who does not carry and does not want to) thought his comments were insanely out-of-touch.
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
    Novos ordo seclorum ~ Mustaine

    Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  19. #19
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Prince William Co, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    105

    Post imported post

    Wolf_shadow wrote:
    SNIP You also make the statement; “But no self-respecting criminal is going to shoot or rob somebody in a restaurant with dozens of witnesses.” Try to search the internet sometime. I typed restaurant robberies into Google search and got ten pages. SNIP
    Hell, for that matter I'm worried about getting jacked in the parking lot. Don't criminals realize and respect that parking lots are only for entering and exiting vehicles? All crimes are required to take place where there are a plethora of witnesses...

  20. #20
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Prince William Co, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    105

    Post imported post

    wylde007 wrote:
    AIC869 wrote:
    but the whole point is escaping a situation (with family if present) alive and with no more ventilation than we had to begin with.
    I had a restaurant owner, pseudo-friend of mine tell me that he didn't want guns in his restaurant because he doesn't trust some of his staff (what does that tell you?)
    Seems to me he could use some new employees. If things are so shady that he can't trust his staff around a trained gun owner customer, then I certainly wouldn't think he'd want them around his livelihood/cash flow.

    But then again, I'm funny like that...:?

  21. #21
    Regular Member wylde007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Va Beach, Occupied VA
    Posts
    3,037

    Post imported post

    AIC869 wrote:
    If things are so shady that he can't trust his staff around a trained gun owner customer, then I certainly wouldn't think he'd want them around his livelihood/cash flow.
    My point exactly.
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
    Novos ordo seclorum ~ Mustaine

    Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  22. #22
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    24

    Post imported post

    I posted this in the comments section of the Lynchburg News & Advance story mentioned previously:

    "I have been in the restaurant business for over 10 years with almost 2 of them as a server in Lynchburg. I personally feel safer when I see a customer openly carrying their firearm into the restaurant where I work, because I know that generally the customer, who is legally openly carrying (and not illegally concealing), is going to keep their firearm safely in its holster unless someone's life is threatened. It is already currently legal in Virginia to openly carry your firearm AND consume alcohol as long as you do not become intoxicated (maybe 1 beer, wine, or mixed drink, but even this is rare and I never see it). I personally openly carry my holstered firearm when I dine out, and I am welcomed warmly by the folks at the places where I dine.

    I am a young woman and I carry not because I believe something bad will happen to me, but I carry to protect the lives of myself, my husband and my family in the rare case that something MAY happen to me and I have no desire to be a willing victim. As Fireman points out those places where firearms are banned are "gun free, criminal safe zones". I do not want to be mugged or worse raped, so that is why I carry and I DO NOT and WILL NOT patronize criminal safe zones. What restaurant owners who post against lawful carry forget is that only a law abiding citizen will abide by their wishes that guns are not permitted on their property, NOT criminals!"



  23. #23
    Regular Member 2a4all's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Newport News, VA, ,
    Posts
    1,586

    Post imported post

    The paranoia of these people is amazing! Not to mention their lack of knowledge of the subject matter. There have not been any reports of Golden Corrals becoming OK Corrals nor Red Lobsters becoming Bloody Seafoodsbecause astate has legalized CC in alcohol-serving establishments. The opposite seems to be more prevalent in states that prohibit CC in such establishments.

    The sentiment "I don't want you carrying in here, but if trouble breaks out, feel free to retreive your gun and help me out." is utter nonsense! I wonder where this owner keeps his gun?

    So doesthe patron who doesn't want to be shot by you, butwants the BG to shoot you dead because you're carrying really think that's in his best interest? After the BG shoots you, who'll be next?
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

    Member VCDL, NRA

  24. #24
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Bluefield, West Virginia, USA
    Posts
    113

    Post imported post

    Virginia Tech paper got it wrong as well (Tuesday's issue). Noticed as we were shipping it out the door.


    Working from memory here, but had a line about "weapons are not allowed in restaurants that serve alcohol.". All they had to do would be stick the word "concealed" in there and they could keep their anti-biased article and still be accurate.

  25. #25
    Regular Member Dreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Grennsboro NC
    Posts
    5,358

    Post imported post

    The funny thing about the hoopla over this bill is that many of the people who are voicing opinions against it are from Maryland...

    In MD, if you have a permit (and almost NOBODY does, unless you are rich, politically-connected, or an elected official) it ALREADY IS legal for permit holders to CC in a venue that serves alcohol, and has been for years...

    What the anti's "outrage" is about is NOT law-abiding people with guns CCing in restaurants. It's about keeping the "wrong kind of people" from lawfully carrying guns, and we all know what THAT phrase means...

    "Gun Control" is racist.

    Self Defense is a HUMAN RIGHT. And anyone who denies a person that right is essentially saying that some people aren't entirely "human".

    Let's call these people out for the racist, elitist scum they are...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggressionand this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •