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    In CA, do they have the right to check if a fake gun is loaded? Ie, an obviously fake weapon?

    I'm not saying we should do a UOC fake gun, but might be interesting.

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    Pace wrote:
    In CA, do they have the right to check if a fake gun is loaded? Ie, an obviously fake weapon?

    I'm not saying we should do a UOC fake gun, but might be interesting.
    Using an imitation firearm is dangerous territory in CA. It can even approach felony territory if a govt building is involved.

    12550. As used in this article, the following definitions apply:
    (c) "Imitation firearm" means any BB device, toy gun, replica of a
    firearm, or other device that is so substantially similar in
    coloration and overall appearance to an existing firearm as to lead a
    reasonable person to perceive that the device is a firearm.

    12556. (a) No person may openly display or expose any imitation
    firearm, as defined in Section 12550, in a public place.
    (d) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to the following, when the
    imitation firearm is:
    (13) A device where the entire exterior surface of the device is
    white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright
    blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or as the
    predominant color in combination with other colors in any pattern, or
    where the entire device is constructed of transparent or translucent
    materials which permits unmistakable observation of the device's
    complete contents. Merely having an orange tip as provided in federal
    law and regulations does not satisfy this requirement. The entire
    surface must be colored or transparent or translucent.
    (e) For purposes of this section, the term "public place" means an
    area open to the public and includes streets, sidewalks, bridges,
    alleys, plazas, parks, driveways, front yards, parking lots,
    automobiles, whether moving or not, and buildings open to the general
    public, including those that serve food or drink, or provide
    entertainment, and the doorways and entrances to buildings or
    dwellings, and shall include public schools and a public or private
    college or university.
    (f) Nothing in this section shall be construed to preclude
    prosecution for a violation of Section 171b, 171.5, or 626.10.


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    here's a couple relevant links to when this was brough up in the past.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...ighlight=12550

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...ighlight=12550

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    My point was that people are saying GUNs are dangerous, so OC fake guns, with tips, in the holster. What is the danger?

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    A fake "e" check by a fake cop?

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    The difference between men and boys, is the price of the toys. I wouldn't be caught with a toy in my holster.

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    Pace wrote:
    My point was that people are saying GUNs are dangerous, so OC fake guns, with tips, in the holster. What is the danger?
    I suppose you could say its not dangerous, but it is indeed a crime if done as you propose.



    12556. (a) No person may openly display or expose any imitation
    firearm, as defined in Section 12550, in a public place.
    (b) Violation of this section, except as provided in subdivision
    (c), is an infraction punishable by a fine of one hundred dollars
    ($100) for the first offense, and three hundred dollars ($300) for a
    second offense.
    (c) A third or subsequent violation of this section is punishable
    as a misdemeanor.
    (d) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to the following, when the
    imitation firearm is:
    (13) A device where the entire exterior surface of the device is
    white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright
    blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or as the
    predominant color in combination with other colors in any pattern, or
    where the entire device is constructed of transparent or translucent
    materials which permits unmistakable observation of the device's
    complete contents. Merely having an orange tip as provided in federal
    law and regulations does not satisfy this requirement. The entire
    surface must be colored or transparent or translucent.





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    ive thought about duracoating my glock blue. any law against making a real gun look like a fake gun?


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    LOL koala. I saw those at the gun dealer. "PROPS" LOL

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    dirtykoala wrote:
    ive thought about duracoating my glock blue. any law against making a real gun look like a fake gun?

    It'd still be a 'real' gun, so it wouldn't exempt you from anything...

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    California is full of fake breasts (guns) already. Do you really need any more psuedo substitutes for the real thing? LOL.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Topless gun protest..hmmm.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    California is full of fake breasts (guns) already. Do you really need any more psuedo substitutes for the real thing? LOL.
    A better use for silicone than for caulking.
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs.

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    Pace wrote:
    Topless gun protest..hmmm.
    Already been done... in New Hampshire. I believe you can find the article at www.FreeKeene.com ... somewhere...

    Also check out www.freestateproject.org - might be on their forum somewhere too.
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    CA_Libertarian wrote:
    Pace wrote:
    Topless gun protest..hmmm.
    Already been done... in New Hampshire. I believe you can find the article at http://www.FreeKeene.com ... somewhere...

    Also check out http://www.freestateproject.org - might be on their forum somewhere too.
    I know...and to think they call us attention mongers.

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    I think I would rather have topless CA women over NH women protesting. Whose with me on this one.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Many Cities have laws/ordinances that can get you arrested regarding threatening display of fake guns. Being stupid and pointing a fake gun at someone is asking to get shot or arrested.

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    oc4ever wrote:
    Many Cities have laws/ordinances that can get you arrested regarding threatening display of fake guns. Being stupid and pointing a fake gun at someone is asking to get shot or arrested.
    Who's talking about brandishing a fake gun? This is about holstered fake guns...
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    "In CA, do they have the right to check if a fake gun is loaded? Ie, an obviously fake weapon?

    I'm not saying we should do a UOC fake gun, but might be interesting."

    CA_Libertarian,

    Read the original question, he asked about UOC, not holstered handguns. He could have also been talking about UOC'ing a rifle or shotgun. Just covering the bases.

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    I stand corrected. There was no mention of holsters in the OP.

    However, even a rifle or shotgun is not brandished just by being carried.

    I still don't see where anybody else mentioned brandishing any weapon...
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