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    See back-story here:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/38256-1.html

    Time and date is set:

    Date: Sunday February 21st

    Time: 12:30pm

    Location: Meet at Starbucks in Sussex
    Starbucks
    N65W24950 Main Street
    Sussex, WI 53089

    We will be meeting at Starbucks, try to be there at 12:30 sharp. Once we meet there we will be heading over to the State Patrol Office in Waukesha to demonstrate outside the building. If you don't make the 12:30 meeting time at Starbucks in Sussex plan to catch up with us at the State Patrol headquarters around 1pm 21115 East Moreland Boulevard, Waukesha, WI

    Open-Carry strongly encouraged, but not required.

    We will all be OC'ing as we always do when we go about or daily business.

    Local media will be contacted and present.

    After the demonstration outside State Patrol district office, people will be heading to China Wok in Sussex (near Starbucks) for a mid afternoon lunch/meal.

    China Wok
    N65W24838 Main St.
    Sussex, WI 53089

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    A Wisconsin Carry member was sitting for lunch at China-Wok in Sussex, WI

    A state trooper entered the establishment and demanded/berated the counter staff to know if they allowed guns in the business. The confused staff initially indicated that they did not.

    See the troopers behavior here:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/38256-1.html

    The same state trooper later contacted the Waukesha County Sheriff and suggested that our member was impersonating a police officer because he was open-carrying (completely legal) and driving a Hyundai Elantra that has antennae on it. (when was the last time you saw a Hyundai Elantra used as a police vehicle?)

    3 Waukesha County Sheriffs paid a visit to our member at 10:30 at night on Monday in response to the state troopers misplaced complaint.

    Please join us in Sunday to say to the State Patrol that their harassment of a law-abiding citizen is not acceptable.
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    If anyone is a member of other gun-forums (glock talk, ar-15 etc) can you post this over there?

    Also, rsvp here if possible so we can get an idea of numbers and if anyone in other parts of the state is looking to carpool.
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    I am coming from the La Crosse area with a mini-van. Able to take 5 or six additional on a first come first serve basis.

    email at: Hubert@WisconsinCarry.org

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    I will definitely be there!
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    I'm in, i've got +2 ppl coming with aswell. We will be packin'.
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    ya mo be there, up and over.

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    Hey all. I will definitely make the drive over to Sussex to be there. Anybody from the Madison area who wants to go can ride with me, if they so desire. I've got room for three. Send me a PM or post here and let me know.

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    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman wrote:
    If anyone is a member of other gun-forums (glock talk, ar-15 etc) can you post this over there?

    Also, rsvp here if possible so we can get an idea of numbers and if anyone in other parts of the state is looking to carpool.
    Posted this morning at AR 15, Wisconsin

    and at Glock Talk in the "Carry Issues" section

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    Cobbersmom wrote:
    Posted this morning at AR 15, Wisconsin

    and at Glock Talk in the "Carry Issues" section
    Thank you.

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    I have posted this event on Oath Keepers. I hope it brings additional support.

    ETA: Oath Keepers has accepted tghe post and is displaying the ad on the Events page.

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    I will try my best to be there. It will depend on if I can get off work or not.


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    I posted on TheFirearmsForum.com and TheHighRoad.com.

    I am trying to arrange for me to be in Sussex on the 21st.Might be asking for a ride from someone up this way.Also a sitter for the kiddies.

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    Posted it on DefensiveCarry.com

    I won't be making it myself. Too long of a drive and I got too much homework/studying to do this weekend.
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    Official press release went out today. Feel free to copy and email to your local media:

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    For Immediate Release:

    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. is organizing an Open-Carry rally this Sunday Feb. 21st in
    Sussex Wisconsin. Members from across the state will be joining us to raise
    awareness of the right to carry in Wisconsin based upon recent events amongst
    one of our members.

    On Monday Feb. 15th, one of our members, "Joseph" was doing something he has
    done on many occasions. That is sitting down for lunch at China-Wok in Sussex,
    WI while open-carrying as law-abiding citizens do in Wisconsin. The only
    difference on this day was a Wisconsin State Trooper, "Trooper Kneisler" was in
    the parking lot. On this day, this particular Trooper was on a mission to place
    his personal desires above his professional responsibilities. It appears to us
    at Wisconsin Carry that Trooper Kneisler was determined to oust Joseph from the
    restaurant before he had any knowledge of the stores policy or even that the
    store owners had any desire for his intervention. Don't take our word for it.
    When Joseph saw Trooper Kneisler heading into the restaurant, he pulled out his
    recording device (standard accessory for many of us who want to make sure we
    have documentation in the event of unlawful conduct by law-enforcement) and
    video-taped the encounter:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZVz0V-bek0

    Unfortunately this video is not the end of the story. Late Monday night Joseph
    was visited by 3 Waukesha County Sheriffs Deputies at his home. Indications
    from the deputies was that Trooper Kneisler had continued his persecution of
    Joseph by contacting them and untruthfully suggesting Joseph was trying to
    impersonate a police officer. Reasons given included that he was
    "open-carrying" and that he has CB Radio antennae on his vehicle (a Hyundai
    Elantra)?

    As would be expected, the deputies determined State Trooper Kneisler's complaint
    was unfounded and left.

    Our members will be taking the opportunity to raise awareness of this improper
    law-enforcement action and show our support for Joseph and the right of all
    law-abiding residents of Wisconsin to exercise their right to carry by joining
    us in Sussex this Sunday. We will be meeting at the Starbucks in Sussex at
    24950 West Main Street. The Rally will begin at 12:30 sharp. After coffee and
    meet-n-greet at Starbucks we will hold an awareness rally at the State Patrol
    District Headquarters at 21115 East Moreland Boulevard, Waukesha, WI.

    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. is a non-profit Wisconsin corporation dedicated to the
    preservation and reclamation of the basic rights critical to a free society. Our
    mission statement can be viewed at our website. www.wisconsincarry.org.

    On January 8th 2010 Wisconsin Carry, Inc. filed a lawsuit in Federal Court to
    challenge the constitutionality of Wisconsin's onerous Gun Free School Zone Act.
    a copy of this lawsuit can be viewed here:
    http://www.wisconsincarry.org/pdf/GFSZ_Complaint.pdf

    Nik Clark
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    I will try to be there this will be my fist time joining you all there Im glad to be able to support our right to carry

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    Also everybody should be facebooking the hell out of this aswell. I know I've been.
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    Landose_theghost wrote:
    Also everybody should be facebooking the hell out of this aswell. I know I've been.
    What is facebook?

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    I'll be there and I will definitely be open carrying.
    “The Constitution shall never be construed... to prevent the People of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” -- Samuel Adams

    “Today, we need a nation of Minutemen. Citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.”

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    A very valid question has been asked about what to bring (signage etc)

    We are just meeting at Starbucks to get together and have coffee, hot chocolate and meet-n-greet and patronize a business that supports the right to carry. We are not "protesting" or "demonstrating" at Starbucks. We are meeting there show that businesses would do well to support the rights of law-abiding citizens. I know Starbucks will appreciate the big $'s on Sunday

    If you bring signs leave them in your car at Starbucks. We will save those for the State Patrol Office. If there are any further instructions or announcement regarding signage etc, we will make them at Starbucks before heading over to the State Patrol District Office.

    Please keep signs polite as I know you all would. This is about awareness and we are all law-abiding citizens.

    Me personally, I was thinking I'd make a small sign that said "harass criminals, not law-abiding citizens"

    Or perhaps a new version of an old saying: The LEO "serinity prayer" "God, grant law enforcement the education to know the law, the desire to protect the law abiding, the courage to deal with criminals, and the wisdom to know the difference between the two"

    No large signs. Nothing bigger than a poster-board size.

    Be creative, polite, and informative.

    In the unlikely event we have a passerby heckler or two the best response is to smile and wave, perhaps offer a thumbs up, or when needed blow them a kiss.
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    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman wrote:
    In the unlikely event we have a passerby heckler or two the best response is to smile and wave, perhaps offer a thumbs up, or when needed blow them a kiss.
    Awesome!

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    I'll see if I can make it. Iwould have to rearrange some stuff.

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    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman wrote:
    A very valid question has been asked about what to bring (signage etc)

    We are just meeting at Starbucks to get together and have coffee, hot chocolate and meet-n-greet and patronize a business that supports the right to carry. We are not "protesting" or "demonstrating" at Starbucks. We are meeting there show that businesses would do well to support the rights of law-abiding citizens. I know Starbucks will appreciate the big $'s on Sunday

    If you bring signs leave them in your car at Starbucks. We will save those for the State Patrol Office. If there are any further instructions or announcement regarding signage etc, we will make them at Starbucks before heading over to the State Patrol District Office.

    Please keep signs polite as I know you all would. This is about awareness and we are all law-abiding citizens.

    Me personally, I was thinking I'd make a small sign that said "harass criminals, not law-abiding citizens"

    Or perhaps a new version of an old saying: The LEO "serinity prayer" "God, grant law enforcement the education to know the law, the desire to protect the law abiding, the courage to deal with criminals, and the wisdom to know the difference between the two"

    No large signs. Nothing bigger than a poster-board size.

    Be creative, polite, and informative.

    In the unlikely event we have a passerby heckler or two the best response is to smile and wave, perhaps offer a thumbs up, or when needed blow them a kiss.
    Agreed time one million. Please keep this civil and nothing demeaning the officers involved.
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    Something you ALL should consider:

    This is your first actual demonstration/protest. If your turn out is large enough, the media will be forced to pay attention.

    If business discriminated against a member, you would only need remind them of February 21 when you urge them to change their policy.

    You may also want to form a business alliance group to prevent LEO from doing this to other businesses (like when that one city/chief sent letters to all the businesses).

    Make it similar to the individual membership, but you give them a Wisconsin Carry business alliance sticker/decal for their door (informing everybody they are OC friendly) and listing/linking them on your site.

    GOOD LUCK

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    I'm thinking about coming out to this, but this would be my first time at any type of protest or demonstration, and i've only open carried a couple times so far to place i knew were friendly. I most likely would not be carrying as i'm still new and don't want to find myself in a situation getting arrested if "they" decide that the protest isn't something they like.

    but perhaps if i can make it, i could bring a video camera and film the event for documentation. is there anybody from the cudahy/oak creek/st. francis area that would want to ride together???

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    The more the merrier. Please bring your video camera do help document the event. We also need someone to bring a digital camera so we can get pictures for the facebook page.

    LEO will NOT make another attempt to stifle us (in front of the press/camera). We will peaceably make our point and then go for some Chinese.

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