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State Trooper harasses law-abiding Open-Carrier. Demonstration this Sunday

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See back-story here:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/38256-1.html

Time and date is set:

Date: Sunday February 21st

Time: 12:30pm

Location: Meet at Starbucks in Sussex
Starbucks
N65W24950 Main Street
Sussex, WI 53089

We will be meeting at Starbucks, try to be there at 12:30 sharp. Once we meet there we will be heading over to the State Patrol Office in Waukesha to demonstrate outside the building. If you don't make the 12:30 meeting time at Starbucks in Sussex plan to catch up with us at the State Patrol headquarters around 1pm 21115 East Moreland Boulevard, Waukesha, WI

Open-Carry strongly encouraged, but not required.

We will all be OC'ing as we always do when we go about or daily business.

Local media will be contacted and present.

After the demonstration outside State Patrol district office, people will be heading to China Wok in Sussex (near Starbucks) for a mid afternoon lunch/meal.

China Wok
N65W24838 Main St.
Sussex, WI 53089

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A Wisconsin Carry member was sitting for lunch at China-Wok in Sussex, WI

A state trooper entered the establishment and demanded/berated the counter staff to know if they allowed guns in the business. The confused staff initially indicated that they did not.

See the troopers behavior here:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/38256-1.html

The same state trooper later contacted the Waukesha County Sheriff and suggested that our member was impersonating a police officer because he was open-carrying (completely legal) and driving a Hyundai Elantra that has antennae on it. (when was the last time you saw a Hyundai Elantra used as a police vehicle?)

3 Waukesha County Sheriffs paid a visit to our member at 10:30 at night on Monday in response to the state troopers misplaced complaint.

Please join us in Sunday to say to the State Patrol that their harassment of a law-abiding citizen is not acceptable.
 

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If anyone is a member of other gun-forums (glock talk, ar-15 etc) can you post this over there?

Also, rsvp here if possible so we can get an idea of numbers and if anyone in other parts of the state is looking to carpool.
 

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Hey all. I will definitely make the drive over to Sussex to be there. Anybody from the Madison area who wants to go can ride with me, if they so desire. I've got room for three. Send me a PM or post here and let me know.
 

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Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman wrote:
If anyone is a member of other gun-forums (glock talk, ar-15 etc) can you post this over there?

Also, rsvp here if possible so we can get an idea of numbers and if anyone in other parts of the state is looking to carpool.
Posted this morning at AR 15, Wisconsin

and at Glock Talk in the "Carry Issues" section
 

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I have posted this event on Oath Keepers. I hope it brings additional support.

ETA: Oath Keepers has accepted tghe post and is displaying the ad on the Events page.
 

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I posted on TheFirearmsForum.com and TheHighRoad.com.

I am trying to arrange for me to be in Sussex on the 21st.Might be asking for a ride from someone up this way.Also a sitter for the kiddies.
 

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Posted it on DefensiveCarry.com

I won't be making it myself. Too long of a drive and I got too much homework/studying to do this weekend.
 

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Official press release went out today. Feel free to copy and email to your local media:

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For Immediate Release:

Wisconsin Carry, Inc. is organizing an Open-Carry rally this Sunday Feb. 21st in
Sussex Wisconsin. Members from across the state will be joining us to raise
awareness of the right to carry in Wisconsin based upon recent events amongst
one of our members.

On Monday Feb. 15th, one of our members, "Joseph" was doing something he has
done on many occasions. That is sitting down for lunch at China-Wok in Sussex,
WI while open-carrying as law-abiding citizens do in Wisconsin. The only
difference on this day was a Wisconsin State Trooper, "Trooper Kneisler" was in
the parking lot. On this day, this particular Trooper was on a mission to place
his personal desires above his professional responsibilities. It appears to us
at Wisconsin Carry that Trooper Kneisler was determined to oust Joseph from the
restaurant before he had any knowledge of the stores policy or even that the
store owners had any desire for his intervention. Don't take our word for it.
When Joseph saw Trooper Kneisler heading into the restaurant, he pulled out his
recording device (standard accessory for many of us who want to make sure we
have documentation in the event of unlawful conduct by law-enforcement) and
video-taped the encounter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZVz0V-bek0

Unfortunately this video is not the end of the story. Late Monday night Joseph
was visited by 3 Waukesha County Sheriffs Deputies at his home. Indications
from the deputies was that Trooper Kneisler had continued his persecution of
Joseph by contacting them and untruthfully suggesting Joseph was trying to
impersonate a police officer. Reasons given included that he was
"open-carrying" and that he has CB Radio antennae on his vehicle (a Hyundai
Elantra)?

As would be expected, the deputies determined State Trooper Kneisler's complaint
was unfounded and left.

Our members will be taking the opportunity to raise awareness of this improper
law-enforcement action and show our support for Joseph and the right of all
law-abiding residents of Wisconsin to exercise their right to carry by joining
us in Sussex this Sunday. We will be meeting at the Starbucks in Sussex at
24950 West Main Street. The Rally will begin at 12:30 sharp. After coffee and
meet-n-greet at Starbucks we will hold an awareness rally at the State Patrol
District Headquarters at 21115 East Moreland Boulevard, Waukesha, WI.

Wisconsin Carry, Inc. is a non-profit Wisconsin corporation dedicated to the
preservation and reclamation of the basic rights critical to a free society. Our
mission statement can be viewed at our website. www.wisconsincarry.org.

On January 8th 2010 Wisconsin Carry, Inc. filed a lawsuit in Federal Court to
challenge the constitutionality of Wisconsin's onerous Gun Free School Zone Act.
a copy of this lawsuit can be viewed here:
http://www.wisconsincarry.org/pdf/GFSZ_Complaint.pdf

Nik Clark
Chairman - Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
nik@wisconsincarry.org
 

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A very valid question has been asked about what to bring (signage etc)

We are just meeting at Starbucks to get together and have coffee, hot chocolate and meet-n-greet and patronize a business that supports the right to carry. We are not "protesting" or "demonstrating" at Starbucks. We are meeting there show that businesses would do well to support the rights of law-abiding citizens. I know Starbucks will appreciate the big $'s on Sunday

If you bring signs leave them in your car at Starbucks. We will save those for the State Patrol Office. If there are any further instructions or announcement regarding signage etc, we will make them at Starbucks before heading over to the State Patrol District Office.

Please keep signs polite as I know you all would. This is about awareness and we are all law-abiding citizens.

Me personally, I was thinking I'd make a small sign that said "harass criminals, not law-abiding citizens"

Or perhaps a new version of an old saying: The LEO "serinity prayer" "God, grant law enforcement the education to know the law, the desire to protect the law abiding, the courage to deal with criminals, and the wisdom to know the difference between the two"

No large signs. Nothing bigger than a poster-board size.

Be creative, polite, and informative.

In the unlikely event we have a passerby heckler or two the best response is to smile and wave, perhaps offer a thumbs up, or when needed blow them a kiss.
 
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