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Hello fellow UOCers. Please forgive me if I have posted in the wrong place or this has previously been discussed.
While I’m not new to firearms, I’m new to this site and the prospect of Open Carry. I live here in the Bay Area (Oakland) and Open Carry at times. From what I’ve read here on the site (the bad stories) is what amounts to Police misconduct. It seems as if the Police are intent on scaring law biding citizens and those who are brave enough to Open Carry with total impunity. They seem hell-bent on stifling this movement before it starts. I’m not saying all Police departments, but most of these stories are negative and unlawful.
I’ve read story after story on this site where a peaceful and law bidding citizen is simply exercising his or her rights. People cite case after case and state statutes after statute and keep reminding the Police of their rights and privileges as an American. I find it odd that we as a people have to remind the Police how to uphold the law even if they don’t agree. A violation of ones rights and the law is really quite serious, especially at the hands and discretion of the Police.
Are the laws not clear? Are the Police simply not complying with the laws? Evidentially, they seem to openly violate the laws and state statutes of California with no real fear or interest of upholding the law. Do the Police in your area decide which laws they feel like upholding and which ones they’ll violate; including the ones that govern your individual rights?
I can go on and on, I think you understand the point. My question is: If the laws on Open Carry are clear and not ambiguous, why do we tolerate Police misconduct? Have those who have been directly involved in an egregious act of Police misconduct in regards to Open Carry contacted a lawyer? Not any lawyer; a lawyer who handles rights violations; a lawyer who wouldn’t mind getting paid a million dollars. I know I’m playing Armchair General here but I’m just curious. Seriously, who here wouldn’t mind contributing to a central fund to really vigorously pursue a case against Police Department “X”? Because, in reality, civil punishment is the only way to make the Police listen.
If people are so certain that they are within the law and have proof that the law and their rights were violated by the police, it should be an open and shut case. The law is clear, the individual’s rights are clear, the event with the Police is clear. Let’s let judges uphold the laws that the Police seem to or choose not to get right. In the end, it will only take one case; one case that was legitimately pursued for the Police to really understand that we are many, not just one person individually plucked from the streets and harassed. One successful lawsuit and BAM! No more harassment. This is how it has always been. Bad cops and their behaviors are always going to continue until they are made to stop. Hitting a City in the moneybags will certainly make its Police STOP and think. Just some thoughts.
Maybe I’m just a fool, maybe you'll belive me to be crazy……your thoughts.
Hello fellow UOCers. Please forgive me if I have posted in the wrong place or this has previously been discussed.
While I’m not new to firearms, I’m new to this site and the prospect of Open Carry. I live here in the Bay Area (Oakland) and Open Carry at times. From what I’ve read here on the site (the bad stories) is what amounts to Police misconduct. It seems as if the Police are intent on scaring law biding citizens and those who are brave enough to Open Carry with total impunity. They seem hell-bent on stifling this movement before it starts. I’m not saying all Police departments, but most of these stories are negative and unlawful.
I’ve read story after story on this site where a peaceful and law bidding citizen is simply exercising his or her rights. People cite case after case and state statutes after statute and keep reminding the Police of their rights and privileges as an American. I find it odd that we as a people have to remind the Police how to uphold the law even if they don’t agree. A violation of ones rights and the law is really quite serious, especially at the hands and discretion of the Police.
Are the laws not clear? Are the Police simply not complying with the laws? Evidentially, they seem to openly violate the laws and state statutes of California with no real fear or interest of upholding the law. Do the Police in your area decide which laws they feel like upholding and which ones they’ll violate; including the ones that govern your individual rights?
I can go on and on, I think you understand the point. My question is: If the laws on Open Carry are clear and not ambiguous, why do we tolerate Police misconduct? Have those who have been directly involved in an egregious act of Police misconduct in regards to Open Carry contacted a lawyer? Not any lawyer; a lawyer who handles rights violations; a lawyer who wouldn’t mind getting paid a million dollars. I know I’m playing Armchair General here but I’m just curious. Seriously, who here wouldn’t mind contributing to a central fund to really vigorously pursue a case against Police Department “X”? Because, in reality, civil punishment is the only way to make the Police listen.
If people are so certain that they are within the law and have proof that the law and their rights were violated by the police, it should be an open and shut case. The law is clear, the individual’s rights are clear, the event with the Police is clear. Let’s let judges uphold the laws that the Police seem to or choose not to get right. In the end, it will only take one case; one case that was legitimately pursued for the Police to really understand that we are many, not just one person individually plucked from the streets and harassed. One successful lawsuit and BAM! No more harassment. This is how it has always been. Bad cops and their behaviors are always going to continue until they are made to stop. Hitting a City in the moneybags will certainly make its Police STOP and think. Just some thoughts.
Maybe I’m just a fool, maybe you'll belive me to be crazy……your thoughts.