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    Hello all,

    I've been browsing this website for a while and thought I would stop by the local forum for some advice.

    The short story is my roommate is getting concerned about her safety and has expressed interest in carrying concealed. She has a difficult time saving money and as such, cannot fork over $300-$400 for a decent sidearm. I am in a position to purchase another pistol to add to my own collection and I was wondering what sort of legal repercussions there would be if I were to allow her to borrow one of my pistols. She isn't a CPL holder yet, but there is nothing stopping her from legally obtaining one. The firearm will be mine for all intents and purposes, so I don't think I fall into the category of buying for someone else (I know there is a specific term for this, I just can't think of it). So long as she gets her CPL, is this legal to do? FWIW, the pistol in question will be carried by me until she feels the need to carry for herself.

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    onlurker wrote:
    Hello all,

    I've been browsing this website for a while and thought I would stop by the local forum for some advice.

    The short story is my roommate is getting concerned about her safety and has expressed interest in carrying concealed. She has a difficult time saving money and as such, cannot fork over $300-$400 for a decent sidearm. I am in a position to purchase another pistol to add to my own collection and I was wondering what sort of legal repercussions there would be if I were to allow her to borrow one of my pistols. She isn't a CPL holder yet, but there is nothing stopping her from legally obtaining one. The firearm will be mine for all intense and purposes, so I don't think I fall into the category of buying for someone else (I know there is a specific term for this, I just can't think of it). So long as she gets her CPL, is this legal to do? FWIW, the pistol in question will be carried by me until she feels the need to carry for herself.
    As long as she isa resident of Washington, over 21,and not a prohibited person (as defined in state - RCW 9.41.040 - and federal - 18 USC 922(d) -law), and as long as you are talking about loaning her yourpistol and not your permit, there is nothing I know ofthat would prohibit you from loaning her a pistol.
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    onlurker wrote:
    Hello all,

    I've been browsing this website for a while and thought I would stop by the local forum for some advice.

    The short story is my roommate is getting concerned about her safety and has expressed interest in carrying concealed. She has a difficult time saving money and as such, cannot fork over $300-$400 for a decent sidearm. I am in a position to purchase another pistol to add to my own collection and I was wondering what sort of legal repercussions there would be if I were to allow her to borrow one of my pistols. She isn't a CPL holder yet, but there is nothing stopping her from legally obtaining one. The firearm will be mine for all intents and purposes, so I don't think I fall into the category of buying for someone else (I know there is a specific term for this, I just can't think of it). So long as she gets her CPL, is this legal to do? FWIW, the pistol in question will be carried by me until she feels the need to carry for herself.
    As stated above as long as she is legal to posses a firearm I do not see any ramifications coming back upon you.

    However I surely hope that she is brought up to speed on the laws and her firearm safety and handling abilities to effectively defend herself as if she is not, I think you would feel terrible if something occurred and she was not prepared.
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    BigDave wrote:
    As stated above as long as she is legal to posses a firearm I do not see any ramifications coming back upon you.

    However I surely hope that she is brought up to speed on the laws and her firearm safety and handling abilities to effectively defend herself as if she is not, I think you would feel terrible if something occurred and she was not prepared.
    At the very least, I plan to get her up to speed with the knowledge I've acquired regarding safe handling as well as the laws. I figure that's better than nothing. I myself plan to enroll at the NRA pistol course offered by the range near where I live and will suggest she does the same.

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    No concerns to let her borrow the gun.

    NRA Pistol will give a good overview of safe gun handling, familiarization of gun rules, calibers and basic shooting (marksmanship).

    It does not cover the legalities you may be needing. There are classes you can sign up for (e.g at Wade's in Bellevue or Insight out of West Coast Armory) that is near you in Everett. But again, that may be a later time due to her financial situation.

    I'm sure you might want to look at Norpoint,Sam'sor a few gun stores in your area if they have any postings of classes.

    Keep it simple - she can't carry it (concealed) she can open carry if she so chooses. At home (she can carry however she likes).

    Dave Workman has a small book out that covers the legalities for Washington State.

    http://danddgunleather.com/pages/was...gun_rights.htm

    $10.95 - a great simple investment.


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    Do not forget about the Firearms Academy of Seattle as they have classes in Arlington at Norpoint as well.

    http://www.firearmsacademy.com/schedule.htm

    On legal a quick get up and get started in Puyallup at the Marksman Shooting Range where Ron Schmidt gives a great class and includes the Firearms Training Simulator that Law Enforcement uses to training in Shoot Don't Shoot Scenarios.

    http://www.themarksman.net/personal_protection.html


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    Thanks everyone for the information. Sounds like everything is good to go for her to borrow from me as she sees fit pending her own CPL. I'll make sure to forward this info onto her.

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    I loaned a girl a pistol once. It's like loaning them money, don't do it with anything that you really want back.

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    21? Check.
    Not a felon*? Check.
    Resident? Check.

    "Here's my .380, friend. I'm gonna go buy this TV I found on Craigslist. If you hear gunshots, call the police and use this. Keep your finger off the trigger until you mean to kill something."

    (Or any other conviction that would exempt the person from carrying and/or posessing a firearm)
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    kschmadeka wrote:
    I loaned a girl a pistol once. It's like loaning them money, don't do it with anything that you really want back.
    This is probably the best advice that has ever been offered. Read and heed, my friend.

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    As long as you don't report it as stolen you're all good, haha.

    Same as if you just gave it to her then she gave it back later, registration isn't required in Washington state. Doesn't matter who has it as long as you're not restricted from owning firearms and it hasn't been reported stolen.

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