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    Well My latest visit to the local gun dealer left a sour taste in my mouth. I found out(and reafirmed later on theDOJ website) that theTaurus PT1911is illegal(for sale)in california.

    They were the obvious choice for me since they were affordable $500-$600, and came with ambi safeties.

    Can anyone point me to another 1911 source that is just as affordable but still legal inКДLIFOЯИIД? The safety doesnt have to be amidextrious since i can just buy one and put it on.

    P.S. i know this threadshould probablybe in the "selecting a handgun" forum, but since thats accessed by all states, i do not want to be misled.

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    Glock ftw!

    I've also seen some used springfields in that Price range on calguns. Just buy a Wilson combat, they are only $3000+/-. I'm thinking about not eating or paying for my cars or rent for a few months and buying one! JK! 1911s are nice guns. I wish I could afford one that I really want like a night hawk or a Wilson.
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    poothrowingape wrote:
    Well My latest visit to the local gun dealer left a sour taste in my mouth. I found out(and reafirmed later on theDOJ website) that theTaurus PT1911is illegal(for sale)in california.

    They were the obvious choice for me since they were affordable $500-$600, and came with ambi safeties.

    Can anyone point me to another 1911 source that is just as affordable but still legal inКДLIFOЯИIД? The safety doesnt have to be amidextrious since i can just buy one and put it on.

    P.S. i know this threadshould probablybe in the "selecting a handgun" forum, but since thats accessed by all states, i do not want to be misled.
    i would suggest going with a rock island armory 1911 .45 i just got one to replace my orignal colts. i still have them though.. they are imho just as good as the orignal the parts swap also they are relativly cheap also i got mine for $320 new in box good luck to ya carry on



    P.s. let me know what you chose

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    When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.

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    I went to a dealer yesterday and he let me hold a Rocky A1. It seemed pretty heavy compaired to other guns ive held. He said Rock Island doesnt use aluminum in constructing their hand guns.

    Id prefer something lighter than the Rocky since ill probably be concieling it; but the price was pretty good ill admit. Although ive been hearing mixed reviews. Of all the reviews the average is: the guns are good after you break them in with some solid range time; as well as use good mags.

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    i hadnt heard of the RIA until this thread. its got me thinking, maybe buy one then build it up slowly with high quality parts until all you have from RIA is the frame.
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    i hadnt heard of the RIA until this thread. its got me thinking, maybe buy one then build it up slowly with high quality parts until all you have from RIA is the frame.
    that's what people seem to be doing. pretty good idea.

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    I don't know if it is true any longer, but as recently as November they were talking about being over 6 months on back order and not taking any more orders. . .

    I hope not, because when I get my gun rights back I plan on celebrating by getting a 1911 and I have heard they are good starters.

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    I don't want to start that nonsense where people bash this and bash that and its gets silly.

    But you may have dodged a bullet (hah) with missing out on the Taurus.

    Its just an opinion based on personal experience with Taurus' semi-autos particularly the 24/7 line, is such that I would not reccomend them highly.

    RIA, and Kimber come to mind as great alternatives, have you considered a personal, bit by bit build?




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    RIA Tactical > PT1911.

    Buy one off gunbroker. And forget the Kimber. Plastic parts and poor function FTL.

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    Rock Island makes a fine 1911.

    STI and Charles Daly uses the RIA parts manufactured by Armscor for building their Pageant Contestants as I call them.

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    tekshogun wrote:
    Rock Island makes a fine 1911.

    STI and Charles Daly uses the RIA parts manufactured by Armscor for building their Pageant Contestants as I call them.
    Heh.

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    heliopolissolutions wrote:
    I don't want to start that nonsense where people bash this and bash that and its gets silly.

    But you may have dodged a bullet (hah) with missing out on the Taurus.

    Its just an opinion based on personal experience with Taurus' semi-autos particularly the 24/7 line, is such that I would not reccomend them highly.

    RIA, and Kimber come to mind as great alternatives, have you considered a personal, bit by bit build?


    i thought you couldnt do this because you cant buy just the frame because it wont pass the CA drop test?
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    I got my springfield 1911a1(milspec) new for about 650. And i love the hell out of it and its built here in the good ol US of A!!

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    poothrowingape wrote:
    Well My latest visit to the local gun dealer left a sour taste in my mouth. I found out(and reafirmed later on theDOJ website) that theTaurus PT1911is illegal(for sale)in california.
    Only illegal for sale by an FFL.

    If you can find one for-sale in CA from a Private Party, you can transfer ownership through an FFL. LEOs and Personal Handgun Importers are exempt from the Roster. Unfortunately, finding one for sale might be a problem.

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    The only issue I've heard of RIA guns is that their steelmay betoo soft for a constant diet of .45 super or maybe even .45 +P ammo. The locking lugs on the slide may have long-term issues with it. You'd also have to replace the slide spring etc, but honestly, who in reality actually shoots .45 super/+P almost eclusively?

    Other than that I've heard nothing but great things from these Phillipines-made guns. They're definitely worth considering.



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    Just bought an AMT hardballer used for 550 out the door. Nice stainless steel 1911, the only problem with it is that it won't feed .45acp semi wadcutters. Currently at the shop getting reramped. But it did eat one whole bag of load x ball ammo.

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    my brother suggested the RIA to me after he found out i was oc my colts he told me they were worth a lot so he suggested the rocky.... straight out of box no oil or nothing i loaded them w/ 230gr white boxwinchester..... after over 250 round i had no failure to feed or eject smooth operation.... the only downside i found was the stock magazines they dont allow the slide to lock back when empty..... i put my magazine from my colts in it and every thing worked perfect..... so it no big deal now all clean and oiled and happy gun (a cleanwell oiled gun is a happy gun ) keep your wits about you my friends and carry on



    p.s. ive only had it for about a week now so if i find any more down falls illlet you all know but my bro swears by them he's a class 3 dealer and has several of his own so i take his advice when given

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    leoffensive wrote:
    I got my springfield 1911a1(milspec) new for about 650. And i love the hell out of it and its built here in the good ol US of A!!
    Sorry to rain on your parade bud, but Springfield's 1911 frames, slides, and barrels are made in Brazil by IMBEL. The frames are imported as raw forgings and machined here, so that's why it says Made in USA on it, since technically Springfield isn't importing firearms from Brazil. The Taurus stuff is made in the same factory.
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    wewd wrote:
    leoffensive wrote:
    I got my springfield 1911a1(milspec) new for about 650. And i love the hell out of it and its built here in the good ol US of A!!
    Sorry to rain on your parade bud, but Springfield's 1911 frames, slides, and barrels are made in Brazil by IMBEL. The frames are imported as raw forgings and machined here, so that's why it says Made in USA on it, since technically Springfield isn't importing firearms from Brazil. The Taurus stuff is made in the same factory.
    really?

    mine says made in genesso

    and the GI version says made in brazil and has the IMBEL

    lol meh either way its still a good pistol at an affordable price.

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    Maybe they are making them several places now, but as I understood it they were all made from IMBEL forgings.

    But here's the real shocker: Springfield Armory, Inc. has nothing to do with Springfield Armory. :shock:
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    yea i knew that

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    RIA's seem like fine pistol's from most reviews I've read. I think the following is interesting if nothing else.

    From http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm:

    Q: Are there any other guns that you specifically DO NOT recommend for the 460 Rowland?

    A: YES! We do not recommend this kit for installation in

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    .460 Rowland is cool, but I can't see carrying it around town for self-defense, for the same reason that few people carry .44 magnum. I don't think that's going to be a deciding factor for most buyers.

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    marshaul wrote:
    .460 Rowland is cool, but I can't see carrying it around town for self-defense, for the same reason that few people carry .44 magnum. I don't think that's going to be a deciding factor for most buyers.
    Sorry Marshaul, my post wasn't very clear :quirky. I wasn't linking the .460 Rowland kit for that purpose. My point was that the RIA frame, among others is (according to Clark Custom) incapable of "gracefully" absorbing the additional impact of that round.

    If you just want a reliable piece of machinery then you are right; that information probably wouldn't interest you. From what I have read the RIA is a reliable pistol. However, if you appreciate it when your purchases don't just meet, but exceed their operating requirements then it might spur you to take a second look.

    ETA: I agree btw, .460 Rowland is cool. :celebrate

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