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    From the Soon To Be Swept Under The Rug Files...

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/...ex.html?hpt=T2

    Washington (CNN) -- Nearly 180 Department of Homeland Security weapons were lost -- some falling into the hands of criminals -- after officers left them in restrooms, vehicles and other public places, according to an inspector general report.
    The officers, with Customs and Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, "did not always sufficiently safeguard their firearms and, as a result, lost a significant number of firearms" between fiscal year 2006 and fiscal year 2008, the report said.

    In all, 243 firearms were lost in both agencies during that period, according to the January report from Inspector General Richard Skinner. Of those, 36 were lost because of circumstances beyond officers' control -- for instance, ICE lost a firearm during an assault on an officer. Another 28 were lost even though officers had stored them in lockboxes or safes.

    But 74 percent, or 179 guns, were lost "because officers did not properly secure them," the report said.

    Following a review of the draft report in December, Homeland Security took steps to implement its recommendations and overhaul its property management policy, according to a response in the report. A department spokeswoman did not immediately return a call from CNN Thursday seeking comment.
    The report concluded the department did not have specific procedures and policies in place regarding firearms. "Instead, DHS relied on its components to augment its general property management policies and procedures with specific guidance for safeguarding and controlling firearms," it said. "Although some component policies and procedures for safeguarding firearms were sufficient, personnel did not always follow them."

    The inspector general cited several examples of "inappropriate practices." A customs officer, for instance, left a firearm in an idling vehicle in the parking lot of a convenience store. The vehicle was stolen while the officer was inside. "A local law enforcement officer later recovered the firearm from a suspected gang member and drug smuggler," the report said.

    In addition, an ICE officer left an M-4 rifle and a shotgun unsecured in a closet at his home. Both weapons were stolen in a burglary and later recovered from a felon, according to the report. Another officer left his firearm in the restroom of a fast-food restaurant, and it was gone when he returned.

    "Other CBP and ICE officers left firearms in places such as a fast food restaurant parking lot, a bowling alley and a clothing store," the report said.

    "Although our review focused on CBP and ICE, other components described similar incidents. For example, a TSA officer left a firearm in a lunch box on the front seat of an unlocked vehicle; the officer realized the firearm was stolen when he returned to the vehicle two days later," said the report. "Officers may have prevented many of these losses had they exercised reasonable care when storing their weapons."
    Of the 179 lost because of laxity, 120 were reported stolen and 59 as lost, the report said. That resulted from the agencies' lack of guidance on a standard method for classifying and reporting lost firearms, as well as "a common perception among officers that reporting a stolen firearm was more acceptable than reporting a lost firearm.

    "Although CBP and ICE reported 120 firearms as stolen, our analysis showed that these firearms were lost (stolen) because officers left the firearms unsecured," according to the report. "All 179 losses may have been prevented had the officers properly secured their firearms."
    The department had about 188,500 weapons in its inventory as of last summer, the report said. The majority are assigned to Customs and Border Protection and ICE officers, but others are carried by agencies including the U.S. Coast Guard, the U.S. Secret Service and the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center.


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    the reason they lost all them guns, is because they were smoking way too much of what they found...
    http://youtu.be/xWgVGu3OR4U AACFI, Wisconsin / Minnesota Carry Certified. Action Pistol & Advanced Action pistol concepts + Urban Carbine course. When the entitlement Zombies begin looting, pillaging, raping, burning & killing..remember HEAD SHOTS it's the only way to kill a Zombie. Stockpile food & water now.

    Please support your local,county, state & Federal Law enforcement agencies, right ???

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    bet he didn't pass the dutchie on the left hand side.

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    How does one lose your firearm?
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    protias wrote:
    How does one lose your firearm?
    Here is one, true >> about ATF agents, leaving their loaded weapons in Hotel rooms, checked out..the called the Desk manager to go get their gun in the bottom drawer in the room...was left behind because the agent's went out the night before and got all Hammered..then FORGOT the LOADED GUN in the drawer...... my brother in law is a Desk Manager at a LARGE Las Vegas Casino Hotel located on the strip....yeah LEO's are NOT too careful with their guns for sure...


    And read about a DEA agent that left her, loaded side arm in the Bathroom at a LARGE Chicago Airport . She had walked out of the terminal before she noticed it was not in the holster..A person found it and called Airport security.


    Now in either of these events, if you & I had FORGOT our guns laying around..WE would be arrested, jailed, etc, etc....But, not Cops & Federal Agents...:?
    http://youtu.be/xWgVGu3OR4U AACFI, Wisconsin / Minnesota Carry Certified. Action Pistol & Advanced Action pistol concepts + Urban Carbine course. When the entitlement Zombies begin looting, pillaging, raping, burning & killing..remember HEAD SHOTS it's the only way to kill a Zombie. Stockpile food & water now.

    Please support your local,county, state & Federal Law enforcement agencies, right ???

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    WOW

    yeah that's all i got.

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    And The Brady Campain in my A$$ers say "we don't have the proper training"?? Hmm, me thinks training can only teach you so much, hense the posts title....
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    Part of the problem here [IMHO] is that these 'law enforcement types' are just doing a job. They are not members of the 'gun culture' as John Ross described in Unintended Consequences.
    In the past law enforcement took pride in being good shooters...or at least being proficient in firearms handling. Now if you speak with a off duty officer about guns for the most part they have no interest.
    I have a friend who is a former US Marshall and he told tales of cops/agents who could barely qualify with, much less field strip their duty weapon.
    Gun enthusiast's take pride in their firearms, we take care to become proficient in many ways, we secure them because if we 'lose' them we replace them. These LEO's that lose their firearms...just plain don't care! They can just get another M4/MP-5 or Sig pistol issued.

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