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    Got this in a e-mail today. You virginians know how to get it done !



    Vermont Gun Plan








    WHAT A GREAT IDEA !!!!!!!!!!!





    Sensible Gun Registration Plan That Will Work





    Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S.


    Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very carefully, and his


    strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New


    England and elsewhere.





    Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require


    them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first


    state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a


    fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.





    Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only


    affirming the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear


    mandate to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by


    the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by


    the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution states


    explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of


    themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously


    scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent."


    Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm


    themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that


    may arise."





    Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to


    register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license


    number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing


    who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so,"


    Maslack says Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with


    the least restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state


    that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This


    combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a


    crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.





    "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,


    but too early to shoot the bastards."





    This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes


    to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them


    contribute their fair share and pay their own way.


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    OUT-EFFIN'-STANDING!!! I can't think of a BETTER thing to do! This would make all the anti-gunners put their money where their mouth is! (the pro-gun people do that when they purchase a firearm) This would level the playing field, and give the anti's something new to b1tch about.


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    Why not? Here in Virginia we have an uninsured motorist fee.

    Owning a firearm (and knowing how to use it; being willing to use it) is part and parcel to liberty.

    If you do not want to take part in defending liberty, you should pay an additional fee to make up for it.

    And those of us who do own firearms should get a massive tax break. What say?
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    Jblack44 wrote:
    Got this in a e-mail today. You virginians know how to get it done !



    Vermont Gun Plan








    WHAT A GREAT IDEA !!!!!!!!!!!





    Sensible Gun Registration Plan That Will Work





    Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S.


    Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very carefully, and his


    strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New


    England and elsewhere.





    Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require


    them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first


    state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a


    fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.





    Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only


    affirming the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear


    mandate to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by


    the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by


    the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution states


    explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of


    themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously


    scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent."


    Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm


    themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that


    may arise."





    Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to


    register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license


    number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing


    who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so,"


    Maslack says Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with


    the least restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state


    that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This


    combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a


    crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.





    "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,


    but too early to shoot the bastards."





    This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes


    to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them


    contribute their fair share and pay their own way.


    America


    Home of the free,


    BECAUSE of the Brave.
    This is not true! Alaska doesn't require a person to have a CC permit to go concealed. Gotta love politicians who talk about Laws and are wrong.

    Don't get me wrong. I support where he's going. I just think he should know what he's talking about first with all the facts.
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    It's not a unique idea. Our own Skidmark came up with a similar plan for me a couple of weeks ago.

    In order to settle differences at some future date, I have to keep a list of people I hate. It's gotten so large I have to keep it on an external hard drive in a database. When I meet someone, I have to key their information in to see if they're on the "Whup yur Azz" list.

    I was adding one of the Norfolk irratants the other day, and Skidmark said, "It'd be easier to keep a list of people you don't hate".

    That's an idea. I started the new database and I have it on SD Ram with 99% free space. Who says there are no good ideas anymore.

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    Jblack44 wrote:
    Got this in a e-mail today. You virginians know how to get it done !



    Vermont Gun Plan








    WHAT A GREAT IDEA !!!!!!!!!!!





    Sensible Gun Registration Plan That Will Work





    Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S.


    Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very carefully, and his


    strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New


    England and elsewhere.





    Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require


    them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first


    state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a


    fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.





    Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only


    affirming the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear


    mandate to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by


    the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by


    the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution states


    explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of


    themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously


    scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent."


    Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm


    themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that


    may arise."





    Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to


    register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license


    number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing


    who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so,"


    Maslack says Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with


    the least restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state


    that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This


    combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a


    crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.





    "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,


    but too early to shoot the bastards."





    This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes


    to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them


    contribute their fair share and pay their own way.


    America


    Home of the free,


    BECAUSE of the Brave.
    This is not true! Alaska doesn't require a person to have a CC permit to go concealed. Gotta love politicians who talk about Laws and are wrong.

    Don't get me wrong. I support where he's going. I just think he should know what he's talking about first with all the facts.
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    SlowDog wrote:
    Jblack44 wrote:
    This is not true! Alaska doesn't require a person to have a CC permit to go concealed. Gotta love politicians who talk about Laws and are wrong.

    Don't get me wrong. I support where he's going. I just think he should know what he's talking about first with all the facts.
    Does Montana require a permit?

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    First things first why is this on the Virginia forum? I mean why not but its about Vermont, and this post was started by a Michigan member, so why not Michigan or Vermont.

    Also you can CC in Alaska without a permission and paying a tax on your right...

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    Only 2 states currently do not require any permit to CC. That would be Alaska & Vermont.
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    eastmeyers wrote:
    First things first why is this on the Virginia forum? I mean why not but its about Vermont, and this post was started by a Michigan member, so why not Michigan or Vermont.

    Also you can CC in Alaska without a permission and paying a tax on your right...

    God Bless!
    DOH!! I apologize for the mistake about the state involved! Got my V's mixed up.
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    You guys realize this would have the exact same effect as registering all gun owners...

    I think a much better idea is to exempt anyone who is carrying a gun at the time from sales tax.

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    This is a really good idea.

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    peter nap wrote:
    It's not a unique idea. Our own Skidmark came up with a similar plan for me a couple of weeks ago.

    In order to settle differences at some future date, I have to keep a list of people I hate. It's gotten so large I have to keep it on an external hard drive in a database. When I meet someone, I have to key their information in to see if they're on the "Whup yur Azz" list.

    I was adding one of the Norfolk irratants the other day, and Skidmark said, "It'd be easier to keep a list of people you don't hate".

    That's an idea. I started the new database and I have it on SD Ram with 99% free space. Who says there are no good ideas anymore.
    On which list are you?

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    It's not a unique idea. Our own Skidmark came up with a similar plan for me a couple of weeks ago.

    In order to settle differences at some future date, I have to keep a list of people I hate. It's gotten so large I have to keep it on an external hard drive in a database. When I meet someone, I have to key their information in to see if they're on the "Whup yur Azz" list.

    I was adding one of the Norfolk irratants the other day, and Skidmark said, "It'd be easier to keep a list of people you don't hate".

    That's an idea. I started the new database and I have it on SD Ram with 99% free space. Who says there are no good ideas anymore.
    On which list are you?

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    mpg9999 wrote:
    You guys realize this would have the exact same effect as registering all gun owners...snip
    Pretty much.

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    mpg9999 wrote:
    You guys realize this would have the exact same effect as registering all gun owners...
    Think 'they' don't already have a good idea? Just being on the forums, how you vote, there are alot of little hints 'they' can use to build the info 'they' want.

    Just because I'm paranoid, that doesn't mean they're NOT out to get me...

    (Oh, BTW, someone can be a part of 'We' as well as 'They'. 'They' are not all bad/evil/corrupt. Thats why 'We' need to be part of 'they'; to help keep 'them' honest'.)
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    Sorry, but this is tyranny.

    As much as no one should be forced to be disarmed of any knive or firearm, no one should be forced to carry one.

    Why can't people just learn to leave other people alone.

    This bill is equally as tyrannical as the U.K. gun laws.

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    Its closer to Switzerland than the UK. I think people should be issued a gun.

    I also people should be held liable for doing nothing. For instance, If a child is taken out of a home, and the parents did nothing to stop it, then the parents should be held criminally responsible for negligence.

    If you can do something and choose not to, then you are guilty as well as the perp.


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    Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack is no longer a Vermont State Rep..... But it still is a great idea! The new Rep. from Mr. Maslack's home town of Poultney is Andy Donaghy (R)... maybe he willpick up where Maslack left off? And when this bill was drafted, Alaska may have had CC/OC restrictions?

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    wylde007 wrote:
    Why not? Here in Virginia we have an uninsured motorist fee.

    Owning a firearm (and knowing how to use it; being willing to use it) is part and parcel to liberty.

    If you do not want to take part in defending liberty, you should pay an additional fee to make up for it.

    And those of us who do own firearms should get a massive tax break. What say?


    Virginia has a fee for uninsured motorists? Wow, Va is sounding better and better. Hell, if NY had such a fee, we wouldnt be in the financial mess that we're in. All of the illegals here would fatten the States pockets for sure!



    K, back to this Vermont Gun Plan. Sounds like a good idea to me. As stated, the anti's will then have to put their money where their mouths are.

    I like the Vt gun laws just the way they are...almost non-existant :celebrate. As long as Vt stays pro-gun and allows legal citizens the right to protect themsleves, we'll be good to go.

    Ill be visiting the in-laws in Vt (near Poultney)this weekend, so ill have to ask my father-in-law if hes heard any buzz of this plan.

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