Demand Virginia State Forest bureaucrats restore your right to open carry!

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Phil,

You said it yourself the other night in Yorktown. All you have to say is hit this poll...resulting electrons from throughout Virginia unleash the power of free citizens!

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Looks like we crashed their system. Hopefully they will get it back up soon.

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VCDL President wrote:

Looks like we crashed their system. Hopefully they will get it back up soon.

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Starting to look like they don't work weekends...

TFred

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Still down:
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The server is back up and got my comments.

Hopefully with these rule changes and tomorrows national parks change, what are the places that we can't OC?

What about Yorktown battlefields and other historic sites? I assume that we can't OC in any building but outside should be ok right? I get confused of all the different management of each site. Whether it is a state forest/park, national forest park historic area, dept of fish & wildlife or whatever else there is.

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I haven't been following this. I assume right now that one must conceal with CHP in state forests, and this proposed change would make carry legal in state forests the same it is elsewhere in the state (i.e. concealed with permit or open with or without permit).

If that's correct, would this also mean that national forests would be changed as well?

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I haven't been following this. I assume right now that one must conceal with CHP in state forests, and this proposed change would make carry legal in state forests the same it is elsewhere in the state (i.e. concealed with permit or open with or without permit).

If that's correct, would this also mean that national forests would be changed as well?

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nova wrote:

I haven't been following this. I assume right now that one must conceal with CHP in state forests, and this proposed change would make carry legal in state forests the same it is elsewhere in the state (i.e. concealed with permit or open with or without permit).

If that's correct, would this also mean that national forests would be changed as well?

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Um no, state forest bans conceal carry right now and this change would allow concealed carry - hence the effort to comment on the proposed rule to alow allow open carry.

Natona forests are governed by the Dept. of cons. gunban that limits carry to conceal carry except where hunting is allowed

National parks re not covered by weither of these 2 state regulations so today you can open or conceal carry in national parks in Virginia.

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I took a look through the "regulatory documents" associated with this proposed rule change. They have absolutely no intention at all of including open carry.

I suspect this is going to take more than one step.

TFred

ETA: I don't mean to poo-poo the current effort... just wanted to point out we're asking them for something they aren't even thinking about offering at this point.

Here is the actual proposed text of the rule change.

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4VAC10-30-170. Explosives, fires firearms, etc.

No person shall bring into or have in any forest any explosive or explosive substance, except commercial sporting firearms ammunition; explosives, explosive substances and firearms of all types are prohibited in any portion of a forest assigned to the Department of Forestry, for administration as a recreational area. This regulation shall not apply to the carrying of concealed handguns within state forests by holders of a valid concealed handgun permit issued pursuant to §18.2-308 of the Code of Virginia.

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TFred wrote:

I took a look through the "regulatory documents" associated with this proposed rule change. They have absolutely no intention at all of including open carry.

I suspect this is going to take more than one step.

TFred

ETA: I don't mean to poo-poo the current effort... just wanted to point out we're asking them for something they aren't even thinking about offering at this point.

Here is the actual proposed text of the rule change.

italics = deleted text
underlined = added text

4VAC10-30-170. Explosives, fires firearms, etc.

No person shall bring into or have in any forest any explosive or explosive substance, except commercial sporting firearms ammunition; explosives, explosive substances and firearms of all types are prohibited in any portion of a forest assigned to the Department of Forestry, for administration as a recreational area. This regulation shall not apply to the carrying of concealed handguns within state forests by holders of a valid concealed handgun permit issued pursuant to §18.2-308 of the Code of Virginia.

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It was in the original petition as I recall.

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The intent of this law was to prevent reckless weapon use on state forest for protection of its inhabitants and patrons. Law abiding conceal carry owners are charged with not using or showing their weapon unless the situation warrants for fear of life and self defense. This change in the code would have no impact to the public at all. I can walk into Wal-Mart with my conceal carry but not have it in the back woods of a state forest where some crazy might be lurking for an easy opportunity. It doesn't make sense to me. You could add wording for those state forest parcels with an office on site for CC owners to stop by and register as having a CC on site so they are aware, but don't prevent them from having it.

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