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Argue with the cop

marshaul

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ghostrider wrote:
This folks, is cop-bashing. Had he worded it in a manner to be inclusive instead of exclusive then it would have been a comment about how some officers can be. As worded, it is a general reference, and is unfair.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
 

ghostrider

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marshaul wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
This folks, is cop-bashing. Had he worded it in a manner to be inclusive instead of exclusive then it would have been a comment about how some officers can be. As worded, it is a general reference, and is unfair.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
NO, I qualified it enough. When you attack the person instead of the argument, then you are no better.
 

Big Gay Al

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ghostrider wrote:
marshaul wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
This folks, is cop-bashing. Had he worded it in a manner to be inclusive instead of exclusive then it would have been a comment about how some officers can be. As worded, it is a general reference, and is unfair.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
NO, I qualified it enough. When you attack the person instead of the argument, then you are no better.
Well, I don't know that I would have called the post you quoted and called "cop bashing" that. I would say it was not qualified enough in it's statement. It should have read "some cops," as a way to qualify that not all cops are that way.

Still, I guess it's a matter of perspective, and opinion.
 

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Big Gay Al wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
marshaul wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
This folks, is cop-bashing. Had he worded it in a manner to be inclusive instead of exclusive then it would have been a comment about how some officers can be. As worded, it is a general reference, and is unfair.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
NO, I qualified it enough. When you attack the person instead of the argument, then you are no better.
Well, I don't know that I would have called the post you quoted and called "cop bashing" that.  I would say it was not qualified enough in it's statement.  It should have read "some cops," as a way to qualify that not all cops are that way.

Still, I guess it's a matter of perspective, and opinion.
This was my point.

Something which merely lacked precise qualification is all of a sudden inferred to be a personal attack.

What might this suggest? ;)

That's what I was getting at with my misquoted Shakespeare.
 

Big Gay Al

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marshaul wrote:
Big Gay Al wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
marshaul wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
This folks, is cop-bashing. Had he worded it in a manner to be inclusive instead of exclusive then it would have been a comment about how some officers can be. As worded, it is a general reference, and is unfair.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
NO, I qualified it enough. When you attack the person instead of the argument, then you are no better.
Well, I don't know that I would have called the post you quoted and called "cop bashing" that. I would say it was not qualified enough in it's statement. It should have read "some cops," as a way to qualify that not all cops are that way.

Still, I guess it's a matter of perspective, and opinion.
This was my point.

Something which merely lacked precise qualification is all of a sudden inferred to be a personal attack.

What might this suggest? ;)

That's what I was getting at with my misquoted Shakespeare.
Ok, you got me there. :)
 

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Big Gay Al wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
marshaul wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
This folks, is cop-bashing. Had he worded it in a manner to be inclusive instead of exclusive then it would have been a comment about how some officers can be. As worded, it is a general reference, and is unfair.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
NO, I qualified it enough. When you attack the person instead of the argument, then you are no better.
Well, I don't know that I would have called the post you quoted and called "cop bashing" that. I would say it was not qualified enough in it's statement. It should have read "some cops," as a way to qualify that not all cops are that way.

Still, I guess it's a matter of perspective, and opinion.
That is exactly why I qualified it with a example of better wording it. Actually, it was more for the OP's benefit, than to belittle or criticize stainless1911. More of a, "This, would be cop-bashing, as opposed to what is normal around here."

I didn't think stainless1911 meant it as all inclusive. I was just contrasting the wording. Nevertheless, as often as things are taken out of context, it doesn't view well to paint with a broad brush, even if unintentionally. Image is important, and right now those who OC in Michigan need to maintain a stellar one.
 

ghostrider

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marshaul wrote:
Big Gay Al wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
marshaul wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
This folks, is cop-bashing. Had he worded it in a manner to be inclusive instead of exclusive then it would have been a comment about how some officers can be. As worded, it is a general reference, and is unfair.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
NO, I qualified it enough. When you attack the person instead of the argument, then you are no better.
Well, I don't know that I would have called the post you quoted and called "cop bashing" that. I would say it was not qualified enough in it's statement. It should have read "some cops," as a way to qualify that not all cops are that way.

Still, I guess it's a matter of perspective, and opinion.
This was my point.

Something which merely lacked precise qualification is all of a sudden inferred to be a personal attack.

What might this suggest? ;)

That's what I was getting at with my misquoted Shakespeare.
My point as well. Which is why I qualified it the way I did.
 
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Hombre1 wrote:
Apparently my presence here has caused a few people to become angry. Instead of spoiling everybody's thread that I post in, maybe we could just keep the anti-cop rhetoric in this thread?

Thanks.
This is not anti-cop rhetoric.

First, no respectful police officer uses the derogatory slang term "cop" when refering to another officer.

Commenting about you is not "anti-cop" rhetoric, because it is highly doubtful that you are a sworn police officer, based on your lack of mental capacity.

At best you may have been a reserve Detroit officer. But that is highly doubtful.

Nope, you are nothing more than a FUDD (2).

And that isn't "anti-cop".

Maybe a former security guard at the welfare clinic.
 

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Hombre1 wrote:
EM87 wrote:
Personally, I would not argue with a LEO. I would not allow them to search me or take my property. If they tried to do so illegally, I would let them know that I do not consent but that I will not resist. Hopefully I would have a recorder on me at the time.
And that would be the proper way to deal with a situation.
Tactically appropriate, maybe, given the force and numbers available to cops.

But, proper? No.

Proper would be to get 8-10 friends afterwards and wear him out with a good light beating. Then knock the stuffing out of whoever trained the LEO to be so casual about violatingthe 4th Amendment rights (search and seizure) of other Americans. Then dock two weeks pay from every other cop in the department that tolerated that behavior from that cop.

That would be proper.

When the Blue Wall of Silence comes down and all police start giving rights their correct importance instead of treating them like barriers to be gotten over and around, or tolerating violations by other cops, then we will all be that much safer.
 

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CV67PAT wrote:
Hombre1 wrote:
Apparently my presence here has caused a few people to become angry. Instead of spoiling everybody's thread that I post in, maybe we could just keep the anti-cop rhetoric in this thread?

Thanks.
This is not anti-cop rhetoric.

First, no respectful police officer uses the derogatory slang term "cop" when refering to another officer.

Commenting about you is not "anti-cop" rhetoric, because it is highly doubtful that you are a sworn police officer, based on your lack of mental capacity.

At best you may have been a reserve Detroit officer. But that is highly doubtful.

Nope, you are nothing more than a FUDD (2).

And that isn't "anti-cop".

Maybe a former security guard at the welfare clinic.
Unfortunately, that is not a disqualifier for the position of a law enforcement officer. I have seen and met several that are couple quarters shy of a full dollar. Their confidence in their actions more than made up for their inability to think, however. Not throwing a blanket statement, here. I'm just pointing out that more than a few get in who are slightly cognitively challenged.
 

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CV67PAT wrote:
Hombre1 wrote:
Apparently my presence here has caused a few people to become angry. Instead of spoiling everybody's thread that I post in, maybe we could just keep the anti-cop rhetoric in this thread?

Thanks.
This is not anti-cop rhetoric.

First, no respectful police officer uses the derogatory slang term "cop" when refering to another officer.

Commenting about you is not "anti-cop" rhetoric, because it is highly doubtful that you are a sworn police officer, based on your lack of mental capacity.

At best you may have been a reserve Detroit officer. But that is highly doubtful.

Nope, you are nothing more than a FUDD (2).

And that isn't "anti-cop".

Maybe a former security guard at the welfare clinic.
You seriously need to get back on your meds. Your bi-polar is showing.
 
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Hombre1 wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
Hombre1 wrote:
Apparently my presence here has caused a few people to become angry. Instead of spoiling everybody's thread that I post in, maybe we could just keep the anti-cop rhetoric in this thread?

Thanks.
This is not anti-cop rhetoric.

First, no respectful police officer uses the derogatory slang term "cop" when refering to another officer.

Commenting about you is not "anti-cop" rhetoric, because it is highly doubtful that you are a sworn police officer, based on your lack of mental capacity.

At best you may have been a reserve Detroit officer. But that is highly doubtful.

Nope, you are nothing more than a FUDD (2).

And that isn't "anti-cop".

Maybe a former security guard at the welfare clinic.
You seriously need to get back on your meds. Your bi-polar is showing.
And your slip is showing.
 

Hombre

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CV67PAT wrote:
Hombre1 wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
Hombre1 wrote:
Apparently my presence here has caused a few people to become angry.  Instead of spoiling everybody's thread that I post in, maybe we could just keep the anti-cop rhetoric in this thread?

Thanks.
This is not anti-cop rhetoric.

First, no respectful police officer uses the derogatory slang term "cop" when refering to another officer.

Commenting about you is not "anti-cop" rhetoric, because it is highly doubtful that you are a sworn police officer, based on your lack of mental capacity.

At best you may have been a reserve Detroit officer. But that is highly doubtful.

Nope, you are nothing more than a FUDD (2).

And that isn't "anti-cop".

Maybe a former security guard at the welfare clinic.
You seriously need to get back on your meds.  Your bi-polar is showing.
And your slip is showing.
O.K. I'll admit it.......that made me laugh.:lol:
 

ghostrider

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Hombre1 wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
Hombre1 wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
Hombre1 wrote:
Apparently my presence here has caused a few people to become angry. Instead of spoiling everybody's thread that I post in, maybe we could just keep the anti-cop rhetoric in this thread?

Thanks.
This is not anti-cop rhetoric.

First, no respectful police officer uses the derogatory slang term "cop" when refering to another officer.

Commenting about you is not "anti-cop" rhetoric, because it is highly doubtful that you are a sworn police officer, based on your lack of mental capacity.

At best you may have been a reserve Detroit officer. But that is highly doubtful.

Nope, you are nothing more than a FUDD (2).

And that isn't "anti-cop".

Maybe a former security guard at the welfare clinic.
You seriously need to get back on your meds. Your bi-polar is showing.
And your slip is showing.
O.K. I'll admit it.......that made me laugh.:lol:
Something tells me the two of you would get along quite well.
 
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