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    This took place Fri. night at the 7-11 in Lynnwood Wa. I was up there visiting some friends I know in the area and stopped in to grab a couple cigar's to share with a buddy. It was probably around 7:30PM when I arrived. I wasOCing with my Glock 23 strapped to my leg. So I go into the store and grab a small bag of chips and head to the counter to get my cigar's and make my purchase and there is a Large VERYDRUNK man near the counter. I walk up to the counter and point out the cigar's to the clerk. The drunk guy walks up to me and grabs my arm and says "I see you got a side arm there." So I yank my arm out of his hand and twist my hip around as so he can't reach for the glock (even though he can't just yank it out) and I say in a stern voice "Yes I Do" So we sit there for about 5-10 sec staring at each other and the clerk is staring at both of us and then the man walks out of the store. I pay for my stuff and the clerk appologizes to me(not that I know why he would appologize) and I walk outside. The man is out there and gets into someone elses car and yells at me while leaving. I'm not sure but I think he called me an "Iggnorant N****r" which Iwas a little confused by being that I am white (Not that anyone deserves to be called by that title). At first the situation made me feel like I would have been better off if I had just not been OCing in the first place but then after I started thinking about it I'm glad I had it ready and accesible just in case he wanted to do something really crazy. Any thoughts? I know I could have handled it alot better just being in the moment and all I was caught a little off guard.

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    Maybe it was the chips? :?

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    You did fine. Didn't break any laws, and he didn't get your sidearm.
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    Given the definition of n*gger he called you, "ignorant ignorant"? Must have been very drunk and stupid.
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    Maybe you should trade your Glock for an XD!

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    The drunk guys biggest fault is, his dad didnt pull out in time.
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    Cremator75 wrote:
    Maybe you should trade your Glock for an XD!
    That would be a 'negative.'

    You did everything fine as far as I can tell. May have been a bit of motivation for the drunk guy to move on...

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    Wait, I don't see the part where you called the police after he assaulted you.



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    Probably should have watched him as he approached. But it's not like we have eyes in the back of our heads... It is something to think about...

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    dustin.vallee88 wrote:
    I know I could have handled it alot better just being in the moment and all I was caught a little off guard.
    I think you performed admirably.

    Primarily, because you did not escalate the situation. After he grabbed your arm and you released it....you just basically let it pass.

    Smart. The guy was not a real threat. He was just a drunken fool.

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    Cremator75 wrote:
    Maybe you should trade your Glock for an XD!
    now THEM's fighten words, boy!

    I hope I would have done the same as you, I don't see anything wrong.

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    swatspyder wrote:
    Probably should have watched him as he approached.* But it's not like we have eyes in the back of our heads...* It is something to think about...
    sorry but we don't all have eight eyes :P

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    Mainsail wrote:
    Wait, I don't see the part where you called the police after he assaulted you.

    I agree, report it to the police at the least. Hopefully, they can get him off the street before he does something really stupid, like actually reach for the gun instead of your arm.
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    dustin.vallee88 wrote:
    This took place Fri. night at the 7-11 in Lynnwood Wa.* I was up there visiting some friends I know in the area and stopped in to grab a couple cigar's to share with a buddy.* It was probably around 7:30PM when I arrived.* I was*OCing with my Glock 23 strapped to my leg.* So I go into the store and grab a small bag of chips and head to the counter to get my cigar's and make my purchase and there is a Large VERY*DRUNK man near the counter.* I walk up to the counter and point out the cigar's to the clerk.* The drunk guy walks up to me and grabs my arm and says "I see you got a side arm there."* So I yank my arm out of his hand and twist my hip around as so he can't reach for the glock (even though he can't just yank it out) and I say in a stern voice "Yes I Do" So we sit there for about 5-10 sec staring at each other and the clerk is staring at both of us and then the man walks out of the store.* I pay for my stuff and the clerk appologizes to me(not that I know why he would appologize) and I walk outside.* The man is out there and gets into someone elses car and yells at me while leaving.* I'm not sure but I think he called me an "Iggnorant N****r" which I*was a little confused by being that I am white (Not that anyone deserves to be called by that title).* At first the situation made me feel like I would have been better off if I had just not been OCing in the first place but then after I started thinking about it I'm glad I had it ready and accesible just in case he wanted to do something really crazy.* Any thoughts?* I know I could have handled it alot better just being in the moment and all I was caught a little off guard.
    Which 7-11? Lynnwood is my territory and the folks at the local 7-11's know me by my open carry, heh.

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    The one right next to the park and ride

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    kenshin wrote:
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    Wait, I don't see the part where you called the police after he assaulted you.

    I agree, report it to the police at the least. Hopefully, they can get him off the street before he does something really stupid, like actually reach for the gun instead of your arm.
    I agree with both of us. He could easily have called the police on YOU and reported you for brandishing, assault, or a dozen other charges. Two hours after you get home the police show up and arrest you, and then the onus is on you to prove the charges are made-up. I wouldn’t stake my firearms rights and my freedom on the video surveillance system at the 7-11 either, they sometimes fail or a bad angle could leave it in doubt. I don’t understand the reluctance to call the police when something like this happens. That could have ended horribly on a number of different levels.



    I'd still like to hear your reasoning for not calling the police.

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    I have no specific reasoning for not calling the police really other than I didn't think it got far enough to involve them at the time. I mean I think I might feel a little wierd calling the police about an assault where nobody was kicked, punched, slapped, bruised or even minorly injured. Although I can see where you guys are coming from I think I would feel a little childish saying "Mr. officer, he touched my arm" Also I don't see how I could recieve a brandishing charge when I never even touched the firearm.

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    dustin.vallee88 wrote:
    The drunk guy walks up to me and grabs my arm and says...

    So I yank my arm out of his hand ...

    ...and yells at me while leaving.

    I'm not sure but I think he called me an "Iggnorant N****r"...

    just in case he wanted to do something really crazy.
    These quotes all seem to indicate that it was a hostile encounter. Did he grab your arm (which is an assault) or did he merely touch your arm?

    IF he wanted to make your life difficult because he objects to OC, he can claim you pulled your gun on him for no reason. IOW, it'll be his word against yours. That's why YOU always want to be the first one to call the police.

    To me that’s the most worrying thing about OC, the anti-gun weirdo making a false claim. If I encounter someone who is hostile and assaults me, I’m calling the police. You asked for a critique of your actions, that’s it.

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    Yeah I can see where your coming from about false statements....I'll take that as food for thought for a next time(hopefully there isn't one). I'm looking at getting a good tape recorder in the next week or so but maybe I'll wait an extra couple weeks and get a video recorder instead.

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    dustin.vallee88 wrote:
    Yeah I can see where your coming from about false statements....I'll take that as food for thought for a next time(hopefully there isn't one). I'm looking at getting a good tape recorder in the next week or so but maybe I'll wait an extra couple weeks and get a video recorder instead.
    Hmmm...

    Video & Voice:
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    You'll wanna do more research, but something like that can keep down the deterrent of having a video camera mounted on your eye glasses, or a voice recorder that you have to pull out from somewhere to activate.

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    amzbrady wrote:
    The drunk guys biggest fault is, his dad didnt pull out in time.
    That's naughty! True but naughty. It's possible that he doesn't even know who his dad is.
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