Statkowski
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Roger, Dodger, Over and Out.
Roger, Dodger, Over and Out.
I don't think they would have to know the other states laws, just be able to read what it says on the lic/permit. ie if it says concealed, not valid in bars, or I don't know if any other states have a target/hunting license like IN does but if they do and it says on it hunting/target it would only be valid for hunting/target. Or I think IL issues a permit for armed security guards but they are only allowed to carry when on the job. If it says for work only well....IANAL...but
I call bs on this. I would consult an attorney, not the ISP. I just don't see how LE can be expected to know the restrictions on an out of state permit/license when there are a lot of them that don't understand, or areignorant on IN LTCH laws. Plus how would they charge you??
Example: Ohio prohibits carrying into an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on premises. In IN this is legal. How would they charge a personcarrying in a bar in INon an Ohio CCW with a violation of another states laws?
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf, States in purple/light blue honor it, the orangeish/peach ones only honor it if your a resident of PA.with the penn. permit to carry, a question; what states do they reciprocity with (offhand)? any other states as easy to get as penn.'s
Depending, to use the Drivers license analogy again. I think in IN you can get a drivers license without eyeglass restrictions if you have 20/60 or better vision(don't quote me on that), if your from state Y that says you have to have 20/40 vision or your required to wear glasses. If you vision was lets say 20/50 but your license had the glasses restriction on it, would it be valid in IN if you weren't wearing your glasses? Or if your license restricted you to daylight hours (as stated on it) because of the requirements in state Y would it be valid in IN after dark?"according to the terms thereof"
This seems to be in regards to the terms of validity of the state of issue. Were the training requirements met, was the background check done, were the fees paid, was it properly renewed, ETC..
The laws ofone state do not apply within the borders of another state.
Depends, does State X have a restriction on the license itself that it is not valid at speeds higher than 55? If so then yes, you are required by the terms of the license to not drive faster than 55.Timjoebillybob wrote:Even easier than that, if I am from State X with a statewide speed limit on highways of 55 mph, does that mean I legally have to travel no more than 55 mph in State Y which has a 75 mph statewide speed limit? Of course not. The answer from the state police was B.S.reefteach wrote:Depending, to use the Drivers license analogy again. I think in IN you can get a drivers license without eyeglass restrictions if you have 20/60 or better vision(don't quote me on that), if your from state Y that says you have to have 20/40 vision or your required to wear glasses. If you vision was lets say 20/50 but your license had the glasses restriction on it, would it be valid in IN if you weren't wearing your glasses? Or if your license restricted you to daylight hours (as stated on it) because of the requirements in state Y would it be valid in IN after dark?"according to the terms thereof"
This seems to be in regards to the terms of validity of the state of issue. Were the training requirements met, was the background check done, were the fees paid, was it properly renewed, ETC..
The laws ofone state do not apply within the borders of another state.
Again, why are you asking the police for legal advice? Why would you think they will give you correct advice?
Your inquiry needs to be YOUR inquiry. What does the relevant reciprocity statute in Indiana say?
regardless, the Michigan Concealed Pistol Permit does not in fact require concealed crry, in fact, CPL holders are equired under Michigan law to OPEN CARRY in banks, hospitals, and many other places - see chart in the Michigan forums.
And no, forign state laws do not follow you into other states - nonesense.
The Gun Free Zones (GFZ) are listed on the back of all Michigan CPL's.I wanted to add my two cents on the issue, in the form of a thought experiment. Let's assume that the crap e-mail from ISP is actually the way the law works in IN.
Now imagine that OP does something that violates MI carry rules, but not IN, like say, carrying in a bar. Our standard 911 call from a hystericalignoramus goes in, officers respond, and they arrive and demand his license and permit (which OP provides). They pow-wow in front of their cars and, somehow, know that he has violated MI carry laws. Maybe it's on the license, or maybe they are uber-geniuses well-versed in the minutia of MI gun laws.
So they... what? Charge him with what? There's no law in Indianato charge him with. Carrying without a license? He has a valid license, with the same legal weight as an IN license. He can't be charged in MI, because they wouldn't have jurisdiction; the incident didn't occur within their borders.
The worst case scenario would be them reporting a violation of the license to the MI license board or bureau or whatever its fancy title is, and he might, theoretically, get it revoked back home. That seems unlikely.
It seems more plausible to methat the clause "will be recognized according to the terms thereof"applies to the qualifications of the person and theexpiration date, etc. so that a person who might be ineligible for an IN license would still be able to carry in IN so long as they had a valid out of state license.
For example, I have a blemish on my record which might disqualify me in certain states, but so long as they have reciprocity, my IN permit is valid there. This would seem to keep with the "full faith and credit" spirit the IN law is meant to embody.
It is simple - you obey the laws of the state in which you presently stand.Instead of a drivers license comparison how about a gun law to gun law.
An Indiana permit holder in Indiana can carry in a bar but not a police station. Those two laws are opposite here in Michigan. IMO that same person visiting MI couldenter a police station to say ask for directions but I would expect any Michigan LEO to charge that same personif in a bar. I won't take my gun into an Indiana police station. Just saying I don't think an IN LEO would enforce MI law any more than a MI LEO would would enforce IN law. So if OC is legal in IN with a permit I would think I'm safe.
Again just IMO.