You CANNOT OC in IN with a MI CPL

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PS I OPEN CARRY ALL THE TIME IN INDIANA WITH A MICHIGAN CPL:exclaim::celebrate:celebrate

on a motorcycle and on foot and have met several police officers NO PROBLEMS OK !!!!:celebrate:celebrate



PS you believe us before the police as they don't research the law like we do !!!

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Venator wrote:

Again your are just plain wrong in your interpretation of the Indiana law. Many Michiganders OC in Indiana with no problem.



[font="Verdana, sans-serif"]Dear Mr. Jeffs:[/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]

[/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]Indiana honors all other states handgun license while visiting or passing through our state. Our law does not state that your weapon has to be concealed or unconcealed. Being concealeddoes not draw attention to you or make people feel uneasy. You may check this web site for more information. [/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]http://www.in.gov/isp[/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"] and go under firearms to see what it has. Also, this web site: [/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar47/index.html[/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]
[/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]If you have any other questions, please let us know.[/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]
[/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]Thanks,[/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]
[/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]Sandy Stark Indiana State Police Firearms Section Indiana Government Center North 100 N Senate Ave [/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]
[/font][font="Verdana, sans-serif"]Indianapolis, IN 46204 317-232-8264[/font]

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I hope that I am wrong, but my inquiry with the Indiana State Police AND the Attorney General's Office has suggested that I am right. I have, however, pressed for a more detailed response from the AG, shown here:

My response from Lt. Jerry Berkey in the Records Division of the ISP:

You are held to the restrictions of your license in your home state. Example: if you are issued a concealed carry permit in your home state, then the weapon must be concealed in Indiana. If you cannot carry on your person in the vehicle in your home state, then you cannot do so in Indiana.

Indiana does not regulate in establishments selling alcohol. If the law in your state is related to the terms under which you were issued your license, then you cannot do so in Indiana either. If you want to know that, then you need to contact your licensing authorities, not us.

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What I was hoping for was clarification from your office. Is the above correct? Specifically:

* With a Michigan CPL, I am absolutely required to carry concealed?
* I am subject to the restrictions of Concealed Carry in Michigan while I am in the State of Indiana?

The confusion derives from MCL 28.425o and MCL 750.234d which outline pistol free zones. MCL 750.234d states, in part:

"(2) This section does not apply to any of the following: [...] (2) (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon."

Thus, it is implied that a CPL holder in Michigan is granted the right to carry openly without the restriction of "Pistol Free Zones", and that a MI CPL, indirectly, gives the right to OC.

So again, I must ask for clarification: Can a Michigan CPL holder carry openly in Indiana?

Best regards,
Aaron R. Horner

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I hope you'll note I am on your side in this e-mail.

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Horner:

I understand where you are coming from, but you are missing an important aspect of this statute.

A non-residentmay not usetheir out-of-state license to carry in such a manner that would berestricted in their own license itself, nor may use that license to carry in such a manner that would be illegal by Indiana statute. However, one must also meet the minimumn standards of Indiana's laws.

Basically, you can not exceed therestrictions of your license, or Indiana law.

Since one doesn't need a license to carry openly in Michigan (except in certain PFZs), then by openly carrying in Indiana, you have not exceeded the limits of you license. However, Indiana does have a statutory requirement to be licensed to carry in any form. Your Michigan license meets that requirement.

What you can not do is exceed Indiana law or any restrictions on your license. For example, if your Michigan CPL had a requirement for corrective lenses (don't know if this exists or not, just an example), you would have to wear corrective lenses while carrying in Indiana, since this is a condition of your license.

Also, you can not carry on school property while in Indiana, as this is a restriction of Indiana law.

What you don't have to worry about are restrictions of Michigan law, unless those restrictions are contained in the CPL statutes. Example: You can carry concealed in a bank or a bar in Indiana. While these are restrictions of Michigan law, they are not restricitions ofthe CPL statuteitself.

Hope this clears things up.

Just remember. You can OC in Indiana on a MI CPL, as long as you follow any restrictions of your CPL itself and follow Indiana Law.

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What restrictions are on your CPL?
I can't find any on mine.
Where are these restrictions you speak of?

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I wrote a response, but the posting just showed your quote. I'm too tired to type it all again. Cheers.

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CV67PAT wrote:

What restrictions are on your CPL?
I can't find any on mine.
Where are these restrictions you speak of?

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They're on the back.

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Those aren't restrictions. Their a narrative of michigan law.

A restriction is like "corrective lenses" or "motorcylce endorsement" on a driveer's license.

I have no restrictions such as that on my CPL.

Unlike other states that "restrict" the permit holder to a type of pistol, such as revolver or semi-auto, or other states that restrict the permit holder to a specific pistol, Michigan has no restrictions. A permit holder can carry a concealed pistol anywhere in the state that is not "unlawful".

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On the back of my license, it says the following:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statute for complete wording of pistol free zones.
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Big Gay Al wrote:

On the back of my license, it says the following:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statute for complete wording of pistol free zones.
RI-13a

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So by your rational, the statute referred to for Michigan pistol free zones carries over into another sovereign state?

Furthermore, RI-13a is not a Concealed Pistol License.

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CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

On the back of my license, it says the following:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statute for complete wording of pistol free zones.
RI-13a

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So by your rational, the statute referred to for Michigan pistol free zones carries over into another sovereign state?

Furthermore, RI-13a is not a Concealed Pistol License.

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It's the form (Card) for a CPL

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SpringerXDacp wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

On the back of my license, it says the following:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statute for complete wording of pistol free zones.
RI-13a

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So by your rational, the statute referred to for Michigan pistol free zones carries over into another sovereign state?

Furthermore, RI-13a is not a Concealed Pistol License.

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It's the form (Card) for a CPL

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Check again.

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CV67PAT wrote:

SpringerXDacp wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

On the back of my license, it says the following:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statute for complete wording of pistol free zones.
RI-13a

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So by your rational, the statute referred to for Michigan pistol free zones carries over into another sovereign state?

Furthermore, RI-13a is not a Concealed Pistol License.

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It's the form (Card) for a CPL

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Check again.

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If you know what it is why don't you share it with the rest of us?

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SpringerXDacp wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

SpringerXDacp wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

On the back of my license, it says the following:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statute for complete wording of pistol free zones.
RI-13a

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So by your rational, the statute referred to for Michigan pistol free zones carries over into another sovereign state?

Furthermore, RI-13a is not a Concealed Pistol License.

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It's the form (Card) for a CPL

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Check again.

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If you know what it is why don't you share it with the rest of us?

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Sorry.

RI-13a is a signature card. It is not a license.

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Michigan may not have restrictions on its license.Some states do; like posted above, the license can be restricted to a particular type of firearm, or to a specific purpose. For example, Indiana has a "Target and Practice" license, which is designed just for use at a range. You can not use the T&P license to carry in Indiana.

What you need to knowis that if you are restricted in some manner by the license itself, you must follow those license restrictions.

From what I understand, Michigan has none of these, as the license isn't issued until those requirements are fulfilled (Training, background, etc.)

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CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

On the back of my license, it says the following:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statute for complete wording of pistol free zones.
RI-13a

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So by your rational, the statute referred to for Michigan pistol free zones carries over into another sovereign state?

Furthermore, RI-13a is not a Concealed Pistol License.

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First, it's not my rational. It's what is simply on the back of the my Concealed Pistol License.

Second, RI-13a is also on the back of the same, aforementioned Concealed Pistol License.

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Big Gay Al wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

On the back of my license, it says the following:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statute for complete wording of pistol free zones.
RI-13a

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So by your rational, the statute referred to for Michigan pistol free zones carries over into another sovereign state?

Furthermore, RI-13a is not a Concealed Pistol License.

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First, it's not my rational. It's what is simply on the back of the my Concealed Pistol License.

Second, RI-13a is also on the back of the same, aforementioned Concealed Pistol License.

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Then what was the purpose of quoting a signature card?

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CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

On the back of my license, it says the following:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statute for complete wording of pistol free zones.
RI-13a

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So by your rational, the statute referred to for Michigan pistol free zones carries over into another sovereign state?

Furthermore, RI-13a is not a Concealed Pistol License.

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First, it's not my rational. It's what is simply on the back of the my Concealed Pistol License.

Second, RI-13a is also on the back of the same, aforementioned Concealed Pistol License.

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Then what was the purpose of quoting a signature card?

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Information, my dear CV67Pat, information.

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Big Gay Al wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

On the back of my license, it says the following:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serve liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statute for complete wording of pistol free zones.
RI-13a

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So by your rational, the statute referred to for Michigan pistol free zones carries over into another sovereign state?

Furthermore, RI-13a is not a Concealed Pistol License.

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First, it's not my rational. It's what is simply on the back of the my Concealed Pistol License.

Second, RI-13a is also on the back of the same, aforementioned Concealed Pistol License.

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Then what was the purpose of quoting a signature card?

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Information, my dear CV67Pat, information.

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All of us that have a CPL have that printed on the signature card.

What information is it that you are attempting to promulgate?

ETA: I am not your "dear" anything. Use your pick-up lines on someone else.

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If you've ever received an LTP, then you have a license to OC in Michigan.