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    Hi folks, sorry if this is inappropriate as my second post, but I'm doing a research project and I was wondering if anyone knew the identity of the person who was UOCing in East Palo Alto in late January/Early February and was "proned out" by Det. Tuason as mentioned in his Facebook post.

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    I think he was referring to this report.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

    That does not have the guys name, but it is something to go on.

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    Welcome jd

    If it was anyone here I'm sure they'll be in touch. Beyond the facebook comments, do you have another sourcefor this incident?

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    Rusty wrote:
    I think he was referring to this report.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

    That does not have the guys name, but it is something to go on.
    the link is not working for me

    working now

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    cato wrote:
    Welcome jd

    If it was anyone here I'm sure they'll be in touch. Beyond the facebook comments, do you have another sourcefor this incident?
    I do have another source - though it's third-hand. Unfortunately, I can't get any contact info out of it.

    Thanks for the welcome.

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    The man, who lives in Redwood City, later apologized to police and said "he didn't really think it out," Norris added.
    He doesn't sound like one of us. Might try a PRAR through EPA as the next best thing. Maybe Oaklander could help with that.

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    ARTICLE SAYS:
    ...alerted police after patrons became frightened....

    I'm getting pretty sick of this. It seems to be the bulk of people reactions when i talk to them(educate rather) about firearms.

    "Gun's are bad"

    "Do you want to murder someone?"

    Today in class I was surprised to see how many college students are interested in owning firearms. I wasnt able to bring up OCDO though due to my instructor grabbing the reigns and continueing his lesson.

    I did however,have the opportunity to educate 2guysat work about guns a few weeks ago. I can't remember how the conversation went this way but one of them said, "AK-47's are terrorist weapons. All the BG's in my video games use them."

    I was lucky enough to interject and tell him it isn't the gun that's bad or a terrorist, its the BG's and terrorists using them. The only reason they use the "AK" is because theyre cheap throw away guns that will take any abuse you put it through. I could tell by the look on his face that something might have gotten threw to him.

    EDIT: sorry if i hijacked the thread. I just had to vent


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    cato wrote:
    The man, who lives in Redwood City, later apologized to police and said "he didn't really think it out," Norris added.
    He doesn't sound like one of us. Might try a PRAR through EPA as the next best thing. Maybe Oaklander could help with that.
    I'm trying to avoid the PRAR route. I'd rather not tip my hand.

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    There's no evidence suggesting that anybody was proned out in EPA. The officer merely commented that he would prone somebody out. I'm not even sure if anybody in this state has ever been proned out for OCing.

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    bigtoe416 wrote:
    There's no evidence suggesting that anybody was proned out in EPA. The officer merely commented that he would prone somebody out. I'm not even sure if anybody in this state has ever been proned out for OCing.
    Actually, the officer mentioned that he DID "prone out" someone.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

    "Haha, we had one guy last week try to do it!" Tuason replied, referring to a Redwood City man who strolled into the Mi Pueblo Food Center in East Palo Alto on Jan. 27 with a gun on his hip. "He got proned out and reminded where he was at and that turds will jack him for his gun in a heartbeat!"

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    Call the Mi Pueblo Food Center in East Palo Alto and speak with the manager to see if he has any information or recallsthe incident which is alleged to have occurred on Jan. 27.

    The dispatch logs should also reflect any calls or units dispatched to that establishment on that day.



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    Mr. Peruta, any idea on how to get access to the dispatch logs without a PRAR?

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    Try an email to the reporter that did the story, mailto:jbernstein@dailynewsgroup.com

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    jdberger wrote:
    Actually, the officer mentioned that he DID "prone out" someone.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

    "Haha, we had one guy last week try to do it!" Tuason replied, referring to a Redwood City man who strolled into the Mi Pueblo Food Center in East Palo Alto on Jan. 27 with a gun on his hip. "He got proned out and reminded where he was at and that turds will jack him for his gun in a heartbeat!"
    Ah, my apologies. I sincerely doubt he was proned out on the ground though. Police officers might exaggerate a tad when talking about such things.

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    jdberger wrote:
    Mr. Peruta, any idea on how to get access to the dispatch logs without a PRAR?
    Most police departments have daily activity sheets or Computer Aided Dispatch records that show all activity.

    I believe you or someone else may have to file the records request to view the CAD/daily dispatch sheet or January 27th.

    You don't have to say what you're looking for, and may be able to do it after a phone call to determine if there was a call to the specific location/business on the day in question.

    Why would anyone be afraid to simply ask the question:

    Were there any officers dispatched to a call at X location on January 2th?

    It may be as simple as that to determine if any calls were recorded.



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    Edward Peruta wrote:
    jdberger wrote:
    Mr. Peruta, any idea on how to get access to the dispatch logs without a PRAR?
    Most police departments have daily activity sheets or Computer Aided Dispatch records that show all activity.

    I believe you or someone else may have to file the records request to view the CAD/daily dispatch sheet or January 27th.

    You don't have to say what you're looking for, and may be able to do it after a phone call to determine if there was a call to the specific location/business on the day in question.

    Why would anyone be afraid to simply ask the question:

    Were there any officers dispatched to a call at X location on January 2th?

    It may be as simple as that to determine if any calls were recorded.

    I need the identity of the UOCer. I don't think the dispatch logs will have that.

    I already pinged the reporter. Thanks.

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    IF there was a call and they proned someone, odds are they ran his name or the serial number of any weapon involved. I'm sure they couldn't resist.

    If you identify the location, date and time, of any call, then you ask to listen to any audio of the dispatch tapes or related written or electonic records.



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    jdberger wrote:
    I'm trying to avoid the PRAR route. I'd rather not tip my hand.
    Your secret is safe with us. SHHHHHH guys, nobody here tip of the cops...capeesh?

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    cato wrote:
    jdberger wrote:
    I'm trying to avoid the PRAR route. I'd rather not tip my hand.
    Your secret is safe with us. SHHHHHH guys, nobody here tip of the cops...capeesh?
    LMAO

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    cato wrote:
    jdberger wrote:
    I'm trying to avoid the PRAR route. I'd rather not tip my hand.
    Your secret is safe with us. SHHHHHH guys, nobody here tip of the cops...capeesh?
    For the newbies that don't know why we're laughing...

    Since roughly July 2007 we've known these forums to be regularly "patrolled" by many police departments. Further, some real Gestapo-types take it upon themselves to do it in the personal time in order to find ways to be a thorn inour side.

    Nothing on the internet is a secret, and especially anything here.
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    CA_Libertarian wrote:
    cato wrote:
    jdberger wrote:
    I'm trying to avoid the PRAR route. I'd rather not tip my hand.
    Your secret is safe with us. SHHHHHH guys, nobody here tip of the cops...capeesh?
    For the newbies that don't know why we're laughing...

    Since roughly July 2007 we've known these forums to be regularly "patrolled" by many police departments. Further, some real Gestapo-types take it upon themselves to do it in the personal time in order to find ways to be a thorn inour side.

    Nothing on the internet is a secret, and especially anything here.
    What's posted on on OCDO stays archived in several PD archives. I'd imagine they have figured out how to auto-spider to catch posts that are short lived or later deleted.

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    so we could be proned out!

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    inbox485 wrote:
    CA_Libertarian wrote:
    cato wrote:
    jdberger wrote:
    I'm trying to avoid the PRAR route. I'd rather not tip my hand.
    Your secret is safe with us. SHHHHHH guys, nobody here tip of the cops...capeesh?
    For the newbies that don't know why we're laughing...

    Since roughly July 2007 we've known these forums to be regularly "patrolled" by many police departments. Further, some real Gestapo-types take it upon themselves to do it in the personal time in order to find ways to be a thorn inour side.

    Nothing on the internet is a secret, and especially anything here.
    What's posted on on OCDO stays archived in several PD archives. I'd imagine they have figured out how to auto-spider to catch posts that are short lived or later deleted.
    This is not paranoia.

    LEO do know, and keep tabs on both individual members and when and where meetups are occuring.

    It may sound self-aggrandizing to say that "oh well, we are so important and such a challenge to authority that they spy on us!", but the fact of the matter is, for whatever reason, they do.

    Their own resources aside, anyone can search posts on this site, or attempt to search for archives through such resources as:

    http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

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    heliopolissolutions wrote:
    inbox485 wrote:
    CA_Libertarian wrote:
    cato wrote:
    jdberger wrote:
    I'm trying to avoid the PRAR route. I'd rather not tip my hand.
    Your secret is safe with us.¬* SHHHHHH guys, nobody here tip of the cops...capeesh?¬*
    For the newbies that don't know why we're laughing...

    Since roughly July 2007 we've known these forums to be regularly "patrolled" by many police departments. Further, some real Gestapo-types take it upon themselves to do it in the personal time in order to find ways to be a thorn in¬*our side.

    Nothing on the internet is a secret, and especially anything here.
    What's posted on on OCDO stays archived in several PD archives. I'd imagine they have figured out how to auto-spider to catch posts that are short lived or later deleted.
    This is not paranoia.

    LEO do know, and keep tabs on both individual members and when and where meetups are occuring.

    It may sound self-aggrandizing to say that "oh well, we are so important and such a challenge to authority that they spy on us!", but the fact of the matter is, for whatever reason, they do.

    Their own resources aside, anyone can search posts on this site, or attempt to search for archives through such resources as:

    http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
    While it was a slight stab at humor playing on the what happens in Vegas stays on you tube joke, I was being entirely sincere.

    Edit: also the archive.org only works to a limited extent. I'm talking about bots that monitor the recent threads list for update or creation and copy the posts within seconds of posting so that they can't disappear a few minutes later. The program would be pretty simple and I'd be shocked if the freeware didn't already exist.

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    jdberger wrote:
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    There's no evidence suggesting that anybody was proned out in EPA. The officer merely commented that he would prone somebody out. I'm not even sure if anybody in this state has ever been proned out for OCing.
    Actually, the officer mentioned that he DID "prone out" someone.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

    "Haha, we had one guy last week try to do it!" Tuason replied, referring to a Redwood City man who strolled into the Mi Pueblo Food Center in East Palo Alto on Jan. 27 with a gun on his hip. "He got proned out and reminded where he was at and that turds will jack him for his gun in a heartbeat!"
    Jacked for his gun LOLOL! If I was a bad guy and saw someone with a gun, I would walk the other way!

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