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    I've been asked this by a few people and have wondered myself, would carrying in a military flap holster be considered open or concealed carry?
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    ARS Title 13, chapter 31 (weapons and explosives), states:

    13-3102A1: A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 except a pocket knife concealed on his person;

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    13-3102G:Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster that is wholly or partially visible, carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons that is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage.

    So, if the holster is wholly or partially visible, and it is clearly a firearms holster (ie: not designed to look like a cell phone case or fannypack, for example), then you are good.

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    ARS 13-3102.G:

    G. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster that is wholly or partially visible, carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons that is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage.
    As a military flap-style holster is clearly "designed for carrying weapons" my interpretation of the letter of the law is you're good to go. As always, IANAL and this is not legal advice.
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    Thanks guys, I'll look into it more.

    I'm planning a OC hike at Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument with a few friends in a couple of weeks. I'd just like to carry it in something that offers some protection from dust.
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    Just got an email back from
    Code:
    Vivian Sartori 
    Division of Interpretation 
    Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument 
    #10 Organ Pipe Drive 
    Ajo, AZ 85321
    The question I asked was if they are aware of the new law and I got this is response.


    "If you are licensed to carry a gun (either open or CCW), you may carry one within the monument. All State of Arizona laws apply."

    So, you do need an Arizona CCW license to carry openly in the monument?


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    I dunno what kind of pistol you have that a flapped holster fits. (there's all kinds of those). Vivian is a soup sandwich... OC doesn't require anything and never has.



    Flapped holsters are OC in AZ.

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    She sent an email back saying,


    "No. You just need your state license in order to carry openly. You do not
    need a CCW license unless you carry a concealed weapon."


    :celebrate

    and thanks for the info on the flap holster Sonora Rebel
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    Organ Pipe is a major corridor for illegals/smugglers. Heads up on that. (Situational Awareness)

    The only thing required for OC in AZ is to be 'in' AZ.

    Dunno what size pistol you've got... or type. The M1912 is designed for the 1911-A1. Internal configuration doesn't allow for anything else that I know of. The Bianchi UM-84 will handle a 1911 and about any other large framed auto. These are nylon mil-specand tough as nails. Just run the designations on your browser and check pix.

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    Yeah, situational awareness will be key. I'll be with a few other people too.

    Pistol I plan to take is either my Makarov or Tokarev, but i'm leaning more to the Makarov. I'm just going to use the leather holster they came with.


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    My wife carries hers (was mine) in a black one (Luftwaffe/Marine). I dunno of any others for the Mak... altho I have a rain pattern camo (E-German) nylon one for it somewhere. I'd go for carrying something 'bigger' in that area tho.

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