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An apparently she doesn't know what a nice, high-quality IWB holster looks like. The Supertuck has 2 large black plastic clips that go over your belt (about 1" wide x 2" tall) with big crosses cut out of their center. Sure the Supertuck is a "deep cover" IWB holster, but it's not completely invisible, ESPECIALLY if you are using it to OC...
Maybe it wasn't you rgun sh ewas offended by, but the crosses on the holster clips. Can you say "religious persecution" boys and girls? Can you say "Federal Civil Rights Violation?...
HOWEVER, all that said, I think this incident is a PERFECT example of why you should use a proper OWB holster if you are going to OC. An IWB holster can give the impression to a non-gunnie, that you are trying (unsuccessfully) to hid your gun, and it might appear (to someone who's only experience with firearms is watching COPS) that you're carrying in a sort of "thuggish" manner, with a pistol just stuffed in your waistband. Ad this callers report appears to confirm that this was the case with her...
If your firearm had been COMPLETELY out in the open, in a Serpa, or a nice Bianchi or Galco leather holster, or even in a FOBUS or CompTac paddle holster--OUTSIDE your pants where it was in OBVIOUS and unashamed view of everyone, this may have gone down a lot different. (Probably not--this lady sounds like she is just a passive aggressive anti who wanted to ruin your day for "offending" her tender sensibilities).
So what are the takeaways for the OP from this incident?
1) get a reliable, decent-quality OWB holster with RETENTION!!!
2) NEVER let your SA lapse, and NEVER turn you rback on the front door of an establishment--ESPECIALLY when another customer starts to act hinkey or actively voices anti-2A sentiment,
3) ALWAYS have a voice recorder on you when you carry, and ALWAYS start it up at the first sign of ANY interaction-negative OR positive. Because you never know where an interaction will lead. And don't hit "STOP" until you are safely locked in your own vehicle...
Considering how this COULD have gone down, I think it's going to turn out OK. The BEST scenario would be if the caller got a visit from CPD to educate her as to firearms law in NC, and let her know that MWAG calls are SERIOUS business, and shouldn't be made when the person with a gun appears to be a perfectly normal, law-abiding citizen just going through is daily chores. AND the two officers should be disciplined for excessive force, making threats under color of law, and misquoting State statutes.
Will any of these things happen? Probably not.
But CPD is VERY lucky that the OP was not a retired Green Beret from Ft. Bragg, or an active-duty Force Recon Marine from Lejune. Had the OP been more "aggressively" trained in weapon retention and personal defense, there very well could have been a few broken noses, ribs, and hands on the other side of this incident. In fact we've seen that happen with a security guard in a mall involving another member of this forum...
Manhandling a citizen without any sort of warning or identification is very BAD police field procedure. The Cary PD is lucky that the OP was off his guard, and not ripped, trained and ready. This event COULD have turned out VERY badly for EVERYONE involved, and from the attitudes reported by CPD, if the OP would have reacted in ANY sort of defensive way to an attempt to manhandle and disarm him, he most likely would have been Tazed or worse...
It sounds like Cary needs to be the next location for a BIG state-wide OC event. Does anyone know a good restaurant in Cary that 1) doesn't serve alcohol, and 2) has outdoor dining areas? I'm thinking a REALLY BIG OC event this summer (when it gets warmer) might just be the thing that our oppressed brothers and sisters in Cary need.
Good luck with this one. I'd DEFINITELY be willing to make the drive to Cary to support any sort of large-scale OC event in the future...
