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    Hey everyone, I just got word that John Pierce, co-founder of OCDO will be interviewed live today (2/24) on Wisconsin Public Radio's "At Issue with Ben Merens" show. Show starts just after 4 p.m. Central Time.

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    Did anyone get to listen?

    The opposing view was presented by Gerri (sp?) from Wisconsin Anti Violence Effort (WAVE) and she was a well spoken and articulate opponent.


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    I missed it.
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    I listened to it. Well done, John! I like near the end when you cornered Jeri because she said she's not anti-gun, but she's opposed to both open and concealed carry. You were spot on pointing out those are the only two methods.

    She is right when is pointed out that constitutional rights are not absolute, but her idea of limiting the constitutional right to bear arms is equivalent to saying one has a right to free speech, but only in one's home. To me that illustrates how extreme her viewpoint is.
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    jpierce wrote:
    Did anyone get to listen?

    The opposing view was presented by Gerri (sp?) from Wisconsin Anti Violence Effort (WAVE) and she was a well spoken and articulate opponent.


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    Good to know that the Joyce Foundation is getting value for their dollar.

    Why does every anti 2A feel it is necessary to start out with "I am a hunter" or "I grew up around guns?"




    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

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    Thanks!

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    I listened to it. Well done, John! I like near the end when you cornered Jeri because she said she's not anti-gun, but she's opposed to both open and concealed carry. You were spot on pointing out those are the only two methods.

    She is right when is pointed out that constitutional rights are not absolute, but her idea of limiting the constitutional right to bear arms is equivalent to saying one has a right to free speech, but only in one's home. To me that illustrates how extreme her viewpoint is.

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    That was glock girl, my fiancee, one of the last callers who said OC is a constitutional right and if they don't like it-- tough!
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    She was great!

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    That was glock girl, my fiancee, one of the last callers who said OC is a constitutional right and if they don't like it-- tough!

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    Looks like you can hear the program online in the "audio archives" by going to this link:

    http://www.wpr.org/webcasting/audioa...y.cfm?Code=bme
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    jpierce wrote:
    Did anyone get to listen?

    The opposing view was presented by Gerri (sp?) from Wisconsin Anti Violence Effort (WAVE) and she was a well spoken and articulate opponent.
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    Yes, I listened to the entire hour. She was very well-rehearsed in her answers... probably had a sheet of talking points in front of her. Also, the radio staff made sure that mostly antigun callers got through to comment. You had an uphill battle.

    When she countered some of your facts with "misinformation", such as regarding the Lott study, I wish you could have followed up with calling her out, but that might have seemed argumentative. I wonder what she would have said to the FBI statistics
    showing decreases in crime when states adopted CCW? More misinformation I suppose.

    Anyway, many thanks for putting yourself out there to represent us, John; live radio is a real tough, unforgiving balancing act. And thanks to shotgun for alerting us to the broadcast.


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    Wednesday
    2/24/2010
    4:00 PM


    At Issue with Ben Merens -100224L
    Wisconsin's state senate passed a bill this week allowing hunters to transport uncased guns in their cars. After four, Ben Merens and his guests discuss open-carry and the shift across the U.S. to ease gun regulations.

    Guests:
    John Pierce, Co-founder and sponsor of OpenCarry. org
    Jeri Bonavia, Executive Director, Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort (WAVE)

    Listen

    Job well done John, Enjoyed listening to common-sense prevail.

    9:50 sec. thru11:42 sec. must of felt like an eternity to Jeri, trying to explain how passing laws prevent criminals from commiting crimes, without saying laws are only followed by the law abiding, without saying laws tie the hands of the law abiding from self defense.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJQ34JTqk0I

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    Well done John Pierce! You did an excellent Job!

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    it took me a bit to get the realplayer to work. but i noticed the lady on the interview spoke in a lot of generalities, and threw out alot of' i thinks'. john had plenty of facts, and presented them very well. some of the callers weren't even in touch with reality. the scenarios john illustrated were tied to the real world. it's good to see the topic of second amendment rights is sweeping through the media.

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    el chicko said; people may not like guns at the banks they go to.
    well then use the drive up!

    el chicko wants criminal background checks on all gun sales.
    will that include the criminal transactions?

    el chicko says she's concerned about people walking around in public with guns in their hands, or waving them around.
    yeah, me too lady, that's why i carry.

    i have no problem listening to the truth, or facts, but B.S. causes me great pain.



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    I get so sick of hearing about the "Greater Good", when I heard her say that I almost puked.

    She also stated that we as OCer's and even CCer's are a very small percentage of the population, so why is it so hard to just to leave us alone.

    How does my OC infringe on someone else's rights?

    I thought you did a great job John, thanks.

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    Thanks to everyone for their kind words.





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    Two thumbs up John. Jeri Bonavia is indeed a tough opponent.

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    McX wrote:
    el chicko said; people may not like guns at the banks they go to.
    well then use the drive up!

    el chicko wants criminal background checks on all gun sales.
    will that include the criminal transactions?

    el chicko says she's concerned about people walking around in public with guns in their hands, or waving them around.
    yeah, me too lady, that's why i carry.

    i have no problem listening to the truth, or facts, but B.S. causes me great pain.

    she must know self defense and can handle anything to defend herself. people like this should move to Australia or G B sounds like a commie to me

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    she also mentions that in her view; 'we are a small minority'. so if that is the case aren't we afforded the same rights of protection of our rights as other 'minorities' are?

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    I have yet to listen to this interview, I have to get my blood pressure down before I do. These people (anti-rights groups, that spew lies, choose not to acknowledge facts and ignore the truth) tend to get me riled up. However reading some of the comments hear (which justifies my opinion of them) are already getting me going.

    Waving guns around????? Oh for Pete's sake, why spew such a fabrication other than to spread fear? Why cant these people just stick to the truth and facts? Oh, that's because the facts don't support their position.

    See what I mean, they simply cant get by with the simple truth.

    Oh, the pain.

    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    The guy from Superior must not have ever been in Duluth.
    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

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    McX wrote:
    she also mentions that in her view; 'we are a small minority'. so if that is the case aren't we afforded the same rights of protection of our rights as other 'minorities' are?
    They way it usually works.We should have more rights.

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    As far as "waving guns around".I would be the first to call in "Man With A Gun".I would be the first because they would be cowering and panicking waiting for LEO to come and help.

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    There would seem to be a common thread among the callers opposed to carry. They each admitted there incompetence and/or fears of not being able to act when being confronted with a life threatening situation. They in a sense have already made the decision to be victims. They then impose this assumption onto everyone.

    The point needs to be made more often that irrational fears of a majority cannot be allowed to infringe on the God given rights of a minority. John is the first I've heard bring this up, but I believe it was passed by too quickly because people don't make the connection between the right to self preservation and the rights of others such as gays, blacks, immigrants, etc.

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    When that one guy said he'd be shaking and shooting into the ground, etc. I thought of Dirty Harry's immortal words, "You're a good man, Lieutenant. A good man always knows his limitations."

    Carrying a gun for security and defense isn't a good idea for everyone. If you can't hack it, don't do it. But just because one recognizes their OWN shortcomings is no reason to impose a restriction on everyone else.

    Nobody, including a well-trained police officer or a soldier, can absolutely predict with confidence how they will react when facing an foe who is intending to harm them. But there are plenty of examples of police, soldiers AND civilians who do not panic, who react well to a stressful situation, and who go on to prevail. Shooting of any sort is more mental than physical activity--- at least shooting well. This guy was probably honest in his self-knowledge of his psychological limitations. Well, that's good, everyone has identified a person not well-suited to carry a gun beyond the shooting range or hunting field. Where the caller failed was in his inability to confine his own quirks to himself. Without justification he assigns similar shortcomings to the rest of society.



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