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    I live in the city of Monrovia where this happened last night.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,3100003.story

    If the average citizen defended himself from an attacker with a picture frame by shooting the attacker and killing him, we would be prosecuted. No, we don't know all the circumstances here, but I'm just saying...

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    moleculo wrote:
    I live in the city of Monrovia where this happened last night.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,3100003.story

    If the average citizen defended himself from an attacker with a picture frame by shooting the attacker and killing him, we would be prosecuted. No, we don't know all the circumstances here, but I'm just saying...
    Until all the facts are known, yes you are "just saying".......I'm not trying to be confrontational here, but you seem to have assumed that this guy was not immediatelyonly because he was a police officer......The DA has a lot of time to press charges in a casethat will be heavily watched.......Just because he was not immediately charged does not mean a full investigation and charges resulting from that investigationwill not follow.

    If any of us were attacked by someone wielding"large object" in our homes, we too would probably use whatever force we thought necessary to defend ourselves. The reserve officer could be 5'05" / 120 and the son could be 6'05" and 300 for all we know...

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    I am in no way saying that people don't have the right to defend themselves in their home. We don't know the circumstance so this guy may very well be fully justified in his use of deadly force.

    Perhaps my use of the word "prosecuted" was really what I meant.

    If you or I used deadly force on someone attacking us with a picture frame, we would likely be arrested or at least be subject to a lengthy detention right up front. We might never be prosecuted by the DA if their investigation shows the actions truly were a justified use of deadly force in self defense. The average citizen in a case like this, especially in L.A. County, is almost never presumed to be justified for using a firearm for self defense. Too often the presumption is that the person defending themself is in the wrong unless the attacker also has a gun. What I want is the same standard of law to apply to everyone. If a cop's actions are presumed to be justified up front, then every law abiding citizen should be treated the same way by the cops, as well.

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    moleculo wrote:
    I am in no way saying that people don't have the right to defend themselves in their home. We don't know the circumstance so this guy may very well be fully justified in his use of deadly force.

    Perhaps my use of the word "prosecuted" was really what I meant.

    If you or I used deadly force on someone attacking us with a picture frame, we would likely be arrested or at least be subject to a lengthy detention right up front. We might never be prosecuted by the DA if their investigation shows the actions truly were a justified use of deadly force in self defense. The average citizen in a case like this, especially in L.A. County, is almost never presumed to be justified for using a firearm for self defense. Too often the presumption is that the person defending themself is in the wrong unless the attacker also has a gun. What I want is the same standard of law to apply to everyone. If a cop's actions are presumed to be justified up front, then every law abiding citizen should be treated the same way by the cops, as well.
    Fair enough.......Justified should be justified no matter who you are....

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    Multiple witnesses, history of son being violent towards family members or others, prior calls regarding son & father could all be things that solve this quickly. I'm sure there will befurther investigation. Like others have said, we don't know all the facts. The question I have is: Was he UOC'ing at the time? (probably not)

    From what I recall, crimes are solved all the time in less than an hour on TV. :celebrate

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    haha such bull if anyone of us non LE people shot someone in our house with a picture frame we'd be pinned as murders without question.

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    No real comment on this being a good shoot or not, didn't read the story. This must be an incredibly difficult time for this guy and his family. I can't imagine a more horrible decision.
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    Amen, I'm sick of the police bashing from some of you, especially in light of what just happened here. We have no idea what happened, and maybe something can be learned from it, something not. However, flippant comments are unnecessary at best, and at worse show a real lack of compassion.

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    No real comment on this being a good shoot or not, didn't read the story. This must be an incredibly difficult time for this guy and his family. I can't imagine a more horrible decision.

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    I, too, completely misunderstand why there is so much police bashing on this site.

    As far as the shooting, time will tell, but damn...the man somehow found it necessary to stop the advancing threat of his SON. If that's not difficult, I don't know what is.
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    Having just had another son just 3 weeks ago, and having another one that is 6, I can't imagine what could make someone do this, and the circumstances. I think we need to take the politics sometimes out of this and just be....HUMAN.

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    My OP wasn't intended to be "cop bashing". It sucks that this guy had to shoot his own son or anyone in self defense.

    The OP was a commentary that we should all expect equal treatment if or when we are required to protect ourselves, too.

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    There is nothing wrong with highlighting the difference between what should be and what is. While it is unfortunate that this man may have been in enough danger to shoot his own flesh and blood, it is nevertheless interesting that he was given such a quick and speedy investigation and left alone, not denuded in the court system.

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    So last night at dinner, my step daughter (freshman in college) asks me if I heard about this incident. Apparently all of her friends are talking about it. She tells me that she went to school with this kid who is/was a senior in high school & 17 years old. She said she knew him: about 5'9", 160 pounds maybe less. He had a reputation on campus as a "nice guy", never got in trouble at school, and a good student. Apparently something was different about the home life.


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    This smells fishy to me. I hope this guy can live with his decision. Hopefully the rest of his family can live with it.

    I see him being a cop as a non-factor as far as the incident. However, it should concern all of us when it comes to the investigation. No need for tin foil hats, but I believe the police investigation needs more scrutiny than usual ANY time LEOs investigate another LEO.
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