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Open Carry in Casino

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Hey Big,

I am with you to a point, however different tactics seem to work with different situations,

Remember the Gun store that we walked in to in Henderson, some gun stores depending on the customer might have said something, but they did not. the numbers game might be worth a try as well. or it might cause them to post. hard to say.
 
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It would seem to me that a bunch of guys converging on abusiness would appear to be an organized, in your face, event. Much better to have solo acts. That way it would just look to the powers that be in that establishment that open carry is becoming more prevalent and they mightbe forced then to revisit the issue in the light of more frequent occurrences. Maybe even two at a time, each coming from different entrances and going about their own way. Let them try to figure out what to do with two identical but seemingly unrelated issues at the same time. Just a thought.
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Wasn't the walk down the strip or Fremont Street the same thing though?

Maybe having a large group would be over the top, but a couple guys grabbing lunch together doesnt sound terrible.
 
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paintsnow wrote:
The Big Guy wrote:
It would seem to me that a bunch of guys converging on abusiness would appear to be an organized, in your face, event. Much better to have solo acts. That way it would just look to the powers that be in that establishment that open carry is becoming more prevalent and they mightbe forced then to revisit the issue in the light of more frequent occurrences. Maybe even two at a time, each coming from different entrances and going about their own way. Let them try to figure out what to do with two identical but seemingly unrelated issues at the same time. Just a thought.
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Wasn't the walk down the strip or Fremont Street the same thing though?

Maybe having a large group would be over the top, but a couple guys grabbing lunch together doesnt sound terrible.
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There you guys go again, making my head hurt. I'm right in the middle, no guess which way it would go.

I suppose if I had to choose, I'd say solo's are better at this time. They are super-sensitive at this point. After a few more experiences, they may be readier for bigger groups.

Having said that, I also think that no more than two OC'ers would not look like a gang presence. Anybody like to try it with a significant other, or would that be too Bonnie and Clyde for them?
 
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You know this is churning out some good ideas. I had the excel spread sheet thing in my mind also. Maybe we should do it in stages. One or two people visit a casino and see what happens. Then someone else go the next day or two and then if all goes well do it in a group. I'm always down to try it again. I think I should call over and speak to the security team about my incident. Maybe I can get some contact info and find out what policy is.

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I would hate to see the entrances posted, too much of a step in the wrong direction.

Maybe we should just visit the casinos more often individually.

Question is, do we all only enter the same casino once?
Do the different properties share info with each other, and would they in this case or do they not care enough.

Wouldn't want to be asked to leave from one stations casino, and then go into another for them to recognize me, that would appear to them that we are trying to provoke them right?
 
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Well, given the groups liking of the google calendar, perhaps a google doc spreadsheet for this type of thing?

As for the group/single debate, I'm with the singles crowd at the moment. I think a group will look organized and may just piss somebody off rather than get the result we're looking for. On that same note, if we could get several singles/twos to visit the same location on the same day/weekend at different times, that may have a different effect as well. May show the numbers without the mob effect. I'm somewhat assuming that there is some paperwork/debriefing or something that goes with the security events (such as trespassing somebody) that makes it knowledgeable to all shifts so that the next shift coming on knows what happened in the previous shift.
 
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gmijackso wrote:
Well, given the groups liking of the google calendar, perhaps a google doc spreadsheet for this type of thing?

As for the group/single debate, I'm with the singles crowd at the moment. I think a group will look organized and may just piss somebody off rather than get the result we're looking for. On that same note, if we could get several singles/twos to visit the same location on the same day/weekend at different times, that may have a different effect as well. May show the numbers without the mob effect. I'm somewhat assuming that there is some paperwork/debriefing or something that goes with the security events (such as trespassing somebody) that makes it knowledgeable to all shifts so that the next shift coming on knows what happened in the previous shift.
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My initial reaction is to spread it out so it doesn't look like an organized in-your-face campaign. A lot of people don't react well to being pushed and become more entrenched.

Maybe a week or so between visits? You're right about them talking such things over. By spreading it out, we give them a chance to have separate rethinks.
 
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I think you walk a fine line between too much, and not enough. The difficulty there is determining exactly where that line is. Too much will become obvious when somebody gets POed enough to post the doors. Not enough however is a problem that can go unseen. If there is too much time between visits, it's possible that the previous visit is forgotten, or that the second visit by a different person is mistaken as the same person that came a week ago. Then in their mind their loss of business by trespassing that person is a single customer, whereas frequent separate visits forces the acknowledgment of the customer size that they are at risk of losing.

I dunno what is right, kinda playing devils advocate here to get all the possibilities on the table so a clear decision can be made.
 
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Possibly the best answer is to simply:

Do as you choose, go where you choose, and go armed or not.

In the case of public property, organizing events may be fruitful. Otherwise, we are all speaking of entering private businesses. Patronize or not, go armed or not. Organize? Maybe not so much.
 
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wrightme wrote:
Possibly the best answer is to simply:

Do as you choose, go where you choose, and go armed or not.

In the case of public property, organizing events may be fruitful.  Otherwise, we are all speaking of entering private businesses.  Patronize or not, go armed or not.  Organize?  Maybe not so much.
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I think the discussion is really centered around how to best influence a private businesses decisions to allow open carry and how to best make them aware of its existence.

Otherwise you're correct. I don't think anybody should necessarily not visit a location while carrying unless they personally have been trespassed. This goes hand in hand with my previous quote of preconceived notions and that one OCer may be trespassed while another may not. Also, if the business turns away one customer, and never sees the rest of the group because we choose not to frequent a location because of that persons report, then the business doesn't know what they're losing. You don't miss what you're not aware you've ever had. Turning their customers away one at a time hopefully would raise their awareness of their actions.
 
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gmijackso wrote:
wrightme wrote:
Possibly the best answer is to simply:

Do as you choose, go where you choose, and go armed or not.

In the case of public property, organizing events may be fruitful. Otherwise, we are all speaking of entering private businesses. Patronize or not, go armed or not. Organize? Maybe not so much.
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I think the discussion is really centered around how to best influence a private businesses decisions to allow open carry and how to best make them aware of its existence.

Otherwise you're correct. I don't think anybody should necessarily not visit a location while carrying unless they personally have been trespassed. This goes hand in hand with my previous quote of preconceived notions and that one OCer may be trespassed while another may not. Also, if the business turns away one customer, and never sees the rest of the group because we choose not to frequent a location because of that persons report, then the business doesn't know what they're losing. You don't miss what you're not aware you've ever had. Turning their customers away one at a time hopefully would raise their awareness of their actions.
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