AR-15

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http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/?cart=2242761&cat=161

Click the bargain bin. GREAT deals for anyone.:celebrate

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I have a stag model 2T that I absolutely love. It came with 1 mag, hardcase, flip up rear sight, free floating quad rail with rail guards. Several other friends of my have stag and havent had a bad word to say. Either way, dpms or stag, you cant go wrong.

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The best advice I got in selecting an AR was to take a look at what is selling. In DPMS, the Panther Lite was selling because of it's price. But, the Panther AP-4 was selling because it is "mil-spec" (M-4 configuration but with 16 inch barrel) and DPMS is a backup supplier to Colt for US Military needs.

They are all good - Stag, Bushy, Rock River, Colt (especially Colt), but my "bang for the buck" was with the DPMS AP-4. And to repeat the advice of an earlier poster. www.AR-15.com will have a lot of information and twice as many opinions. My DPMS has gone bang every time I wanted it to, but all AR platforms need to be cleaned well and lubricated well.

The "lower" (receiver) is the "weapon" from the standpoint of ATF. One lower can accept a host of uppers so you can actually have several variants depending on mission.

The bigger cities do tend to be more competitive price wise, but if you can get a dealer with FFL to agree to accept and process the weapon, you can purchase one online. There are more hassles, but pricing "might" be better. Otherwise, it is a good thing when you support your local weapons dealer; be he a one man show or a major outlet. (But, I do not think you will see any AR platforms at Wal-Mart.)

Gun Control is hitting your target every time exactly where you wanted to hit it. So, my friends, do go to your range or other shooting location and practice good Gun Control.

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All this DPMS heavy 18" in .223for less than $850 (8 mags, lighted scope and rail, cleaning kit, hard case, and soft case)and it shoots like a smoothie - sweet and smooth I would recommend the heavy barrel rather than the lite barrel - even if you opt for the .223 rather than the .308.




ETA: this is actually chambered for the 5.56 x 45mm

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I agree with the advice about getting a heavy barrel. Also, whatever you go with, check the chambering. It is unsafe to fire a rifle chambered in .223 using a 5.56 X 45 NATO round. :X The reverse is not the case. It is safe to fire a .223 in a rifle chambered for the NATO round.

If your mission is home defense, you may wish to consider a shotgun.:shock:

By the way, $850 for that weapon system was an awesome price.

For the budget conscious, there is the Ruger Mini-14 (5.56 / .223).

For home defense, a Mossberg 12-guage with tactical stock is suitable.

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"Heavy barrels are great!"
"Get a heavy barrel!"
"Heavy barrel FTW!"

Care to explain why, for those of us who haven't touched anything AR-shaped since M-16 training seven to eight or so years ago?

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Personally, I'd stay away from heavy barrels on a general purpose rifle. There isn't going to be any noticeable accuracy increase for the average shooter. The concept of the heavy barrel is to reduce flex from the recoil impulse, but you would need to fire several mags very quickly to notice an accuracy difference between an HBar and a government profile of similar length. I'd give the nod to a HBar if the comparison was between the old A1 profile "pencil barrels" and a heavy barrel.

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I cannot speak for anyone else, but I prefer the heavy barrel because I typically send 200 - 800 rounds down the pipe fairly rapidly when I train. The concern is flexing. The heavy barrel on the DPMS AP-4 16 inch is that it be "Mil-Spec". And, I figure if this barrel configuration is good enough for the US Army and US Marine Corps, it is good enough for me too.

Having said that, get what you can afford, and soon. The President may not be saying much about tightening the noose around personal protection, but Hillary Clinton is busy trying to negotiate a UN Small Arms Treaty that the President may try to use to eliminate his most pesky part of the Constitution (The Bill Of Rights) and he may even be trying to eliminate the Constitution so that we can all become "enlightened" (socialist).:shock:

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jpm84092 wrote:

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I prefer the heavy barrel because I typically send 200 - 800 rounds down the pipe fairly rapidly when I train. The concern is flexing. The heavy barrel on the DPMS AP-4 16 inch is that it be "Mil-Spec". And, I figure if this barrel configuration is good enough for the US Army and US Marine Corps, it is good enough for me too.

Having said that, get what you can afford, and soon. The President may not be saying much about tightening the noose around personal protection, but Hillary Clinton is busy trying to negotiate a UN Small Arms Treaty that the President may try to use to eliminate his most pesky part of the Constitution (The Bill Of Rights) and he may even be trying to eliminate the Constitution so that we can all become "enlightened" (socialist).:shock:

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Only mil-spec heavy barrel is the 18" SPR Profile. There are no inventoried 16" barrels. The 20" is commonly known as a "government profile" and the 14.5" "M4 Profile". Most commercial "heavy barrels" will be full width (.95"-1") up to the gas block.

That being said the SPR profile is my favorite barrel. It is .84" before the gas block. I've had two of them. The Compass Lake on my MK12 will shoot 77gr SMKs sub-moa all day long. if you want to go that route call Frank at Compass Lake Engineering or John at White Oak Armament. They're both top notch and they are among the best barrel guys in the world. Either one will spend hours talking barrels with you and answer any question you could ever dream of.

"Flexing" only really becomes an issue on very light barrels (think older mini-14) and in that case it is worsened by an impulse from mass of the operating rod. An AR with a direct impingement gas system does not have the same effect from recoil impulse.

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I was going for the 'mil-spec' aspect ... so shoot me, I'm a traditionalist

jpm: when can I comethrow some lead down range with ya?

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If you're going for a regular direct impingement AR go with Stag, otherwise save some more money and get a LWRCi M6A2 or M6A3 short stroke piston operated AR. Twice the cost of a Stag, but runs way cleaner, more accurate, and less recoil for an already light round, customer service is top notch as well and once you get BRD they'll help feed the disease with whatever custom work you want done for a reasonable price and excellent quality work.:dude:

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What about an AR-15 in 12-gauge belt?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/24/12-gauge-ar-15-upper-machine-gun/

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Now that is sweet. Can not wait to get one.:what:

AbNo wrote:

What about an AR-15 in 12-gauge belt?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/24/12-gauge-ar-15-upper-machine-gun/

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I would go with a Rock River .458 SOCOM, Leupold glass, LaRue mount, Vortex flash suppressor, and LMT lower with single-stage trigger... A custom Caspian 1911 is also a nice addition...

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I love my Bushy, shoots 1/2" at 100yds and eats everything I feed it. This black rifle disease they speak of, beware, it is real... I started out just happy to have an AR. I have since ended up with this, and a duffle bag full of these magazines of which they speak... and boxes of ammo hidden in tactical areas of the house. They do not lie about black rifle disease.

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jpm84092 wrote:

For home defense, a Mossberg 12-guage with tactical stock is suitable.

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I agree a shotgun is best for home defense. Sadly, it doesn't fit under my pillow.

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Get a bigger pillow.

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I bought a Bushmaster and then just slowly modified it myself as the funds became available. The only Bushmaster part left on my "Bushmaster" is the lower receiver...

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a heavy barrel is not necessary. for a defensive or recreational carbine the accuracy difference is negligable. also DPMS isnt one of the best brands out there. bushmaster or rock river make better production rifles. also consider your rate of twist. 1:9 is good for anything up to 62 grains, after that a 1:7 is much better at stabalizing those bullets.

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Don't leave out CMMG.

I just purchased a 14.7" M4 upper, with A2 flash hider (16" OAL) for $485. M4 profile, 4150 c/v steel, Chrome lined, MPI, 1:7 twist.

To go with it, I ordered a seperate CMMG lower, with 6 position mil-spec collapsable stock, for $220.

$731 out the door, with shipping.

Obviously, Colt, BravoCompany and LMT are top line AR's, but you pay for that. Stag, Rock River, Bushmaster, and CMMG are second tier AR's, only because they are not full mil-spec in all regards, but tend to be less expensive. Olympic Century and DPMS are 'bottom tier', but perfectly acceptable for home defense, casual use, plinking, and non military/non LEO applications (ie: heavy use/life depends on it).

I personally feel that CMMG is the best buy for the quality.

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