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    A friend was asking me about the lever action pistol in zombieland, the Mare's leg. They are expensive and he was asking me the legality involved in making one from a lever action rifle. He was saying he could get a 30-30 or so for a few hundred bucks and would rather modify that if legal.

    Any links on laws..advice..

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    A friend was asking me about the lever action pistol in zombieland, the Mare's leg. They are expensive and he was asking me the legality involved in making one from a lever action rifle. He was saying he could get a 30-30 or so for a few hundred bucks and would rather modify that if legal.

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    http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2006/0...-loophole.html

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    Are we not allowed to do it in michigan? Just curious, I know I have read before about people doing it with their AK's ect, is this different?

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    Are we not allowed to do it in michigan? Just curious, I know I have read before about people doing it with their AK's ect, is this different?
    Short answer is no.

    If the barrel is less than 16" it's a short barrel rifle and prohibited in Michigan.
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    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%2...e=mcl-750-224b

    750.224b Short-barreled shotgun or rifle; manufacture, sale, or possession as felony; penalty; exceptions; applicability to collector's item.
    Sec. 224b.
    (1) A person shall not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, or possess a short-barreled shotgun or a short-barreled rifle.
    (2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.
    (3) This section does not apply to the sale, offering for sale, or possession of a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun which the secretary of the treasury of the United States of America, or his or her delegate, under 26 USC, sections 5801 through 5872, or 18 USC, sections 921 through 928, has found to be a curio, relic, antique, museum piece, or collector's item not likely to be used as a weapon, but only if the person selling, offering for sale or possessing the firearm has also fully complied with section 2 or 2a of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.422 and 28.422a.
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    750.222 Definitions.
    Sec. 222.
    As used in this chapter:
    (a) “Alcoholic liquor” means that term as defined in section 105 of the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1105.
    (b) “Barrel length” means the internal length of a firearm as measured from the face of the closed breech of the firearm when it is unloaded, to the forward face of the end of the barrel.
    (c) “Controlled substance” means a controlled substance or controlled substance analogue as those terms are defined in section 7104 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.7104.
    (d) “Firearm” means a weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by an explosive, or by gas or air. Firearm does not include a smooth bore rifle or handgun designed and manufactured exclusively for propelling by a spring, or by gas or air, BB's not exceeding .177 caliber.
    (e) “Pistol” means a loaded or unloaded firearm that is 30 inches or less in length, or a loaded or unloaded firearm that by its construction and appearance conceals itself as a firearm.
    (f) “Purchaser” means a person who receives a pistol from another person by purchase, gift, or loan.
    (g) “Seller” means a person who sells, furnishes, loans, or gives a pistol to another person.
    (h) “Shotgun” means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single function of the trigger.
    (i) “Short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having 1 or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or a weapon made from a shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
    (j) “Rifle” means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
    (k) “Short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.


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    choover wrote:
    Are we not allowed to do it in michigan? Just curious, I know I have read before about people doing it with their AK's ect, is this different?
    Short answer is no.

    If the barrel is less than 16" it's a short barrel rifle and prohibited in Michigan.
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    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%2...e=mcl-750-224b

    750.224b Short-barreled shotgun or rifle; manufacture, sale, or possession as felony; penalty; exceptions; applicability to collector's item.
    Sec. 224b.
    (1) A person shall not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, or possess a short-barreled shotgun or a short-barreled rifle.
    (2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.
    (3) This section does not apply to the sale, offering for sale, or possession of a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun which the secretary of the treasury of the United States of America, or his or her delegate, under 26 USC, sections 5801 through 5872, or 18 USC, sections 921 through 928, has found to be a curio, relic, antique, museum piece, or collector's item not likely to be used as a weapon, but only if the person selling, offering for sale or possessing the firearm has also fully complied with section 2 or 2a of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.422 and 28.422a.
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    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%2...%20AND%20rifle

    750.222 Definitions.
    Sec. 222.
    As used in this chapter:
    (a) “Alcoholic liquor” means that term as defined in section 105 of the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1105.
    (b) “Barrel length” means the internal length of a firearm as measured from the face of the closed breech of the firearm when it is unloaded, to the forward face of the end of the barrel.
    (c) “Controlled substance” means a controlled substance or controlled substance analogue as those terms are defined in section 7104 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.7104.
    (d) “Firearm” means a weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by an explosive, or by gas or air. Firearm does not include a smooth bore rifle or handgun designed and manufactured exclusively for propelling by a spring, or by gas or air, BB's not exceeding .177 caliber.
    (e) “Pistol” means a loaded or unloaded firearm that is 30 inches or less in length, or a loaded or unloaded firearm that by its construction and appearance conceals itself as a firearm.
    (f) “Purchaser” means a person who receives a pistol from another person by purchase, gift, or loan.
    (g) “Seller” means a person who sells, furnishes, loans, or gives a pistol to another person.
    (h) “Shotgun” means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single function of the trigger.
    (i) “Short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having 1 or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or a weapon made from a shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
    (j) “Rifle” means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
    (k) “Short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.


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    Is this it?

    http://www.yourprops.com/norm-472cf8749e60e-Firefly+(TV)+(2002).jpeg

    Something in that configuration is legal and not a SBR, so long as it started off as a pistol at the factory or other point of legal manufacture, and wasn't a rifle before it was a pistol.

    If a gun of this type is as described above, it is a pistol by Michigan and federal law. Just like a USP or a Glock 19.

    Choover, you mentioned AK's. You're thinking of one of two things. Either a 26-30 inch long gun which Michigan requires to be registered as a pistol but the feds and all other states consider to be a rifle or shotgun of no special variety. Or an AK manufactured or otherwise legally made from the start in true pistol configuration, meaning less than 26" OAL, no butt stock, no pistol grip fore end.
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    Michigander is right, if you purchase it from here for $1700-2000:

    http://www.jbcustom.com/page79.html

    But do not make one from a rifle!

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    Double tap.

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    choover wrote:
    A friend was asking me about the lever action pistol in zombieland, the Mare's leg. They are expensive and he was asking me the legality involved in making one from a lever action rifle. He was saying he could get a 30-30 or so for a few hundred bucks and would rather modify that if legal.

    Any links on laws..advice..
    Oh how I too want that gun.


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    It may also be possible to order a virgin frame or receiver or whatever it's called on a lever gun, then put it together however you want. However, that could potentially be more trouble than it would be worth, because of issues like head spacing.
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