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    Can someone point me to a reliable source for the number of currently issued Washington state concealed permits?

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    alienbogey wrote:
    Can someone point me to a reliable source for the number of currently issued Washington state concealed permits?
    Seattle Times[/i] reports;” According to the state Department of Licensing, there are 238,994 concealed-weapons permits in the state, 48,838 in King County.” [i]





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    gogodawgs wrote:
    alienbogey wrote:
    Can someone point me to a reliable source for the number of currently issued Washington state concealed permits?
    Seattle Times reports;” According to the state Department of Licensing, there are 238,994 concealed-weapons permits in the state, 48,838 in King County.”

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...gunban28m.html

    I thought they asked for a reliable source.
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    alienbogey wrote:
    Can someone point me to a reliable source for the number of currently issued Washington state concealed permits?
    There is not one single PERMIT in this state, we have a LICENSE. Seems like the Times number is accurate though.
    I am the person responsible for myself, my wife and my son. I take that VERY seriously.

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    If you are talking about the title of a particular piece of paper from the state, "license" is what it says. But it is not a concealed "weapons" license. either. You can't get one of those in WA.

    In general speaking, "license" and "permit" are the same. A WA CPL is a permit, too.

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    Definitions of license:

    a legal document giving official permission to do something
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    Definitions of permit

    license: a legal document giving official permission to do something

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    I'm probably wrong, but I was under the impression that a permit could be revoked by administrative action, whereas a license could only be revoked be the court. I have no cite, so I have nothing to base that on. Maybe one of our legal eagles could straighten me out.

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    Ajetpilot wrote:
    I'm probably wrong, but I was under the impression that a permit could be revoked by administrative action, whereas a license could only be revoked be the court. I have no cite, so I have nothing to base that on. Maybe one of our legal eagles could straighten me out.
    got no cites for you but,,,, 20 years ago, bob hoover, ( the worlds greatest pilot) , was asked by a FAA offical "to show me your license please"
    the FAA guy would not give it back!!!!
    he claimed bob hadnt flowen up to HIS expectations during his airshow routine that time ,
    and it took about five years to reverse the decision and force the return of his license thru court action, at great expense...
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    From:
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    permit
    1) v. to allow by silence, agreement or giving a license. 2) n. a license or other document given by an authorized public official or agency (building inspector, department of motor vehicles) to allow a person or business to perform certain acts. These can include building a structure, using a building, driving on the highway, conducting a retail business, and dozens of other activities. The purpose of permits is supposedly to guarantee that laws and regulations have been obeyed, but they also are a source of public revenue.

    license
    1) n. governmental permission to perform a particular act (like getting married), conduct a particular business or occupation, operate machinery or vehicles after proving ability to do so safely or use property for a certain purpose. 2) n. the certificate that proves one has been granted authority to do something under governmental license. 3) n. a private grant of right to use real property for a particular purpose, such as putting on a concert. 4) n. a private grant of the right to use some intellectual property such as a patent or musical composition. 5) v. to grant permission by governmental authority or private agreement.

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    1245A Defender wrote:
    Ajetpilot wrote:
    I'm probably wrong, but I was under the impression that a permit could be revoked by administrative action, whereas a license could only be revoked be the court. I have no cite, so I have nothing to base that on. Maybe one of our legal eagles could straighten me out.
    got no cites for you but,,,, 20 years ago, bob hoover, ( the worlds greatest pilot) , was asked by a FAA offical "to show me your license please"
    the FAA guy would not give it back!!!!
    he claimed bob hadnt flowen up to HIS expectations during his airshow routine that time ,
    and it took about five years to reverse the decision and force the return of his license thru court action, at great expense...
    I agree that it doesn't matter what it's called. I won't get into the dictionary or the RCWs but what will probably control is what type of entity issued it and what rules and/or procedures are set up by the law that established it. One "license" that can be revoked by administrative action is your Washington driving license. For example, if you fail to pay a speeding ticket the court increases the fine, sends the ticket to a collection agency and notifies the Department of Licensing. DOL then suspends your license (you get it back by paying the now bigger fine). Even for a felony traffic conviction the court will only take physical possession of a license and send notice to DOL which then issues the revocation.
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    The number of Washington concealed pistol licenses increased 43 percent between 2003 and 2007, Kitsap Sun reporter Josh Farley showed Sunday.
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    Spurred by fear of a violent attack -- or because they have actually survived one -- more Washingtonians are getting a concealed pistol license. The license, or CPL, allows them to travel with a hidden gun among an unknowing public. License holders jumped from about 179,000 to 258,000, 43 percent, between 2003 and 2007. The state Department of Licensing says permit applications in Kitsap County jumped from 1,587 in 2004 to 3,339 in 2007.
    To see the full story and a video and a video interview with gun owners, click here.
    Posted by document.writeln(showE2("caseymcnerthney","seattle pi.com","Casey McNerthney"))Casey McNerthney Casey McNerthney at August 31, 2008 6:22 p.m.
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    M1Gunr wrote:
    The number of Washington concealed pistol licenses increased 43 percent between 2003 and 2007, Kitsap Sun reporter Josh Farley showed Sunday.
    Here's a preview:
    Spurred by fear of a violent attack -- or because they have actually survived one -- more Washingtonians are getting a concealed pistol license. The license, or CPL, allows them to travel with a hidden gun among an unknowing public. License holders jumped from about 179,000 to 258,000, 43 percent, between 2003 and 2007. The state Department of Licensing says permit applications in Kitsap County jumped from 1,587 in 2004 to 3,339 in 2007.
    To see the full story and a video and a video interview with gun owners, click here.
    Posted by document.writeln(showE2("caseymcnerthney","seattle pi.com","Casey McNerthney"))Casey McNerthney Casey McNerthney at August 31, 2008 6:22 p.m.
    http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911...ves/147565.asp
    I would have preferred to say that number of permits in 2007 were at 144%+ of the 2003 level.

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    However youwant to play with the numbers.... The numbers are up and I hope they keep going up.



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    Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?

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    Actually I think it is 1 in 24. No matter, it is a huge number. For perspective, there are more permit holders than blacks in Washington State.



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    MusingDaddy wrote:
    Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?
    What?

    Population of Washington in 2007 was 6,468,464
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

    License holders in 2007 numbered 258,000
    Per citation above on this thread.

    258,000 divided by 6,468,464 = 0.039886 or approximately 4% of the population has a license to carry.

    Even figuring that 25% of the population is below the age to acquire a license, this would only yield 5.32% of the adult population.
    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    MusingDaddy wrote:
    Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?
    What?

    Population of Washington in 2007 was 6,468,464
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

    License holders in 2007 numbered 258,000
    Per citation above on this thread.

    258,000 divided by 6,468,464 = 0.039886 or approximately 4% of the population has a license to carry.

    Even figuring that 25% of the population is below the age to acquire a license, this would only yield 5.32% of the adult population.
    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html

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    You have to add +1 for me receiving my license in '09 lol :celebrate

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    Opps, I fat fingered the math. For a minute there I was excited.

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    MusingDaddy wrote:
    Opps, I fat fingered the math. For a minute there I was excited.
    Don't you wish it were so though?

    At one time in this country, it probably was true or nearly so.
    28% may well have equaled about half of the adult male population then.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    MusingDaddy wrote:
    Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?
    What?

    Population of Washington in 2007 was 6,468,464
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

    License holders in 2007 numbered 258,000
    Per citation above on this thread.

    258,000 divided by 6,468,464 = 0.039886 or approximately 4% of the population has a license to carry.

    Even figuring that 25% of the population is below the age to acquire a license, this would only yield 5.32% of the adult population.
    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html

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    Actually Grapeshot, your figures include those under the age of 18.

    The population of adults in Washington (18+) is actually about 5,050,000, which would make the percentage of adults with CPLs just a hair above 5%.

    Now, as we all know, those 18-20 cant have a CPL (yet ) so that figure would actually be a percentage point or two more for adults 21+ in Washington who have a CPL.

    I wasn't able to find a population figure that would give me accurate numbers for the 18-20 age crowd, but I believe it is somewhere in the mix of 200,000 - 400,000 people.

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    FMCDH wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    MusingDaddy wrote:
    Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?
    What?

    Population of Washington in 2007 was 6,468,464
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

    License holders in 2007 numbered 258,000
    Per citation above on this thread.

    258,000 divided by 6,468,464 = 0.039886 or approximately 4% of the population has a license to carry.

    Even figuring that 25% of the population is below the age to acquire a license, this would only yield 5.32% of the adult population.
    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html

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    Actually Grapeshot, your figures include those under the age of 18.

    The population of adults in Washington (18+) is actually about 5,050,000, which would make the percentage of adults with CPLs just a hair above 5%.

    Now, as we all know, those 18-20 cant have a CPL (yet ) so that figure would actually be a percentage point or two more for adults 21+ in Washington who have a CPL.

    I wasn't able to find a population figure that would give me accurate numbers for the 18-20 age crowd, but I believe it is somewhere in the mix of 200,000 - 400,000 people.

    Cheers!
    Nope - figures exclude those under 18 years and adjusted some for the gap from 18 - 20 years.

    Persons under 18 years old, percent, 2008........... 23.5%
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

    My population figures are taken from 2007 figures to be consistent with date of license data.

    Just explaining where I got my figures - not arguing, no offense intended.

    Whether 4%, 5% or 6% - the number in my mind is significant - just not 28%.

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    Anyone know this on a county or PD basis?

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    cynicist wrote:
    Anyone know this on a county or PD basis?
    I have only seen King. I would love to have a breakdown by county for the whole state. I am sure there must be a way to contact the DOL and get the breakdown. I think they should post the raw numbers on the state web site.

    King is...

    Seattle Times[/i] reports;” According to the state Department of Licensing, there are 238,994 concealed-weapons permits in the state, 48,838 in King County.” [i]





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    Grapeshot wrote:
    FMCDH wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    MusingDaddy wrote:
    Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?
    What?

    Population of Washington in 2007 was 6,468,464
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

    License holders in 2007 numbered 258,000
    Per citation above on this thread.

    258,000 divided by 6,468,464 = 0.039886 or approximately 4% of the population has a license to carry.

    Even figuring that 25% of the population is below the age to acquire a license, this would only yield 5.32% of the adult population.
    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html

    Yata hey
    Actually Grapeshot, your figures include those under the age of 18.

    The population of adults in Washington (18+) is actually about 5,050,000, which would make the percentage of adults with CPLs just a hair above 5%.

    Now, as we all know, those 18-20 cant have a CPL (yet ) so that figure would actually be a percentage point or two more for adults 21+ in Washington who have a CPL.

    I wasn't able to find a population figure that would give me accurate numbers for the 18-20 age crowd, but I believe it is somewhere in the mix of 200,000 - 400,000 people.

    Cheers!
    Nope - figures exclude those under 18 years and adjusted some for the gap from 18 - 20 years.

    Persons under 18 years old, percent, 2008........... 23.5%
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

    My population figures are taken from 2007 figures to be consistent with date of license data.

    Just explaining where I got my figures - not arguing, no offense intended.

    Whether 4%, 5% or 6% - the number in my mind is significant - just not 28%.

    Yata hey
    Ok, I understand I think.

    Your intention was to give a relative percentage based on total population and not just adults 18+?





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    I just wrote the State DOL and received a response by county.

    Here: http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?act...;sa=view;id=55


    [size=As you requested here is the list of the number of current CPL’s by county. Also so you are aware that we are in a backlog in recording CPL’s issued by law enforcement around the state. So, the number you see is always in flux up or down, mostly up in our current case.]

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    Bruce W. Tanaka

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    County Number

    Active Licenses by County Individual



    As of: 3/4/2010 9:44:30 AM



    OKANOGAN 2,429

    MASON 3,827

    OUT OF STATE 8,396

    OUT OF COUNTRY 10

    LINCOLN 883

    KITTITAS 2,489

    LEWIS 4,807

    KLICKITAT 1,171

    PACIFIC 1,058

    SPOKANE 18,589

    SNOHOMISH 24,565

    SKAMANIA 420

    PIERCE 35,714

    PEND OREILLE 875

    SKAGIT 5,200

    SAN JUAN 391

    CLARK 12,114

    CLALLAM 4,681

    COWLITZ 4,554

    COLUMBIA 226

    CHELAN 3,310

    ADAMS 670

    KITSAP 12,701

    BENTON 7,444

    ASOTIN 982

    ISLAND 3,910

    GRAYS HARBOR 3,754

    KING 50,500

    JEFFERSON 1,720

    GRANT 3,723

    FERRY 570

    DOUGLAS 1,820

    GARFIELD 157

    FRANKLIN 2,175

    WHATCOM 6,146

    WALLA WALLA 2,061

    YAKIMA 9,681

    WHITMAN 1,455

    UNKNOWN 492

    WAHKIAKUM 195

    THURSTON 11,447

    STEVENS 3,031



    TOTAL: 260,343
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