How Many Washington Concealed Permits?

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Can someone point me to a reliable source for the number of currently issued Washington state concealed permits?

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alienbogey wrote:

Can someone point me to a reliable source for the number of currently issued Washington state concealed permits?

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Seattle Times[/i] reports;” According to the state Department of Licensing, there are 238,994 concealed-weapons permits in the state, 48,838 in King County.” http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/reply.php?topic_id=39110&post_id=670687&quote=1#_edn1





http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/reply.php?topic_id=39110&post_id=670687&quote=1#_ednref1 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010154649_webgunban28m.html

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gogodawgs wrote:

alienbogey wrote:

Can someone point me to a reliable source for the number of currently issued Washington state concealed permits?

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Seattle Times reports;” According to the state Department of Licensing, there are 238,994 concealed-weapons permits in the state, 48,838 in King County.” http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/reply.php?topic_id=39110&post_id=670687&quote=1#_edn1

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010154649_webgunban28m.html

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I thought they asked for a reliable source.

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alienbogey wrote:

Can someone point me to a reliable source for the number of currently issued Washington state concealed permits?

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There is not one single PERMIT in this state, we have a LICENSE. Seems like the Times number is accurate though.

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If you are talking about the title of a particular piece of paper from the state, "license" is what it says. But it is not a concealed "weapons" license. either. You can't get one of those in WA.

In general speaking, "license" and "permit" are the same. A WA CPL is a permit, too.

From:
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu

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Definitions of license:

a legal document giving official permission to do something
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Definitions of permit

license: a legal document giving official permission to do something

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I'm probably wrong, but I was under the impression that a permit could be revoked by administrative action, whereas a license could only be revoked be the court. I have no cite, so I have nothing to base that on. Maybe one of our legal eagles could straighten me out.

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Ajetpilot wrote:

I'm probably wrong, but I was under the impression that a permit could be revoked by administrative action, whereas a license could only be revoked be the court. I have no cite, so I have nothing to base that on. Maybe one of our legal eagles could straighten me out.

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got no cites for you but,,,, 20 years ago, bob hoover, ( the worlds greatest pilot) , was asked by a FAA offical "to show me your license please"
the FAA guy would not give it back!!!!
he claimed bob hadnt flowen up to HIS expectations during his airshow routine that time ,
and it took about five years to reverse the decision and force the return of his license thru court action, at great expense...

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From:
http://dictionary.law.com/

permit
1) v. to allow by silence, agreement or giving a license. 2) n. a license or other document given by an authorized public official or agency (building inspector, department of motor vehicles) to allow a person or business to perform certain acts. These can include building a structure, using a building, driving on the highway, conducting a retail business, and dozens of other activities. The purpose of permits is supposedly to guarantee that laws and regulations have been obeyed, but they also are a source of public revenue.

license
1) n. governmental permission to perform a particular act (like getting married), conduct a particular business or occupation, operate machinery or vehicles after proving ability to do so safely or use property for a certain purpose. 2) n. the certificate that proves one has been granted authority to do something under governmental license. 3) n. a private grant of right to use real property for a particular purpose, such as putting on a concert. 4) n. a private grant of the right to use some intellectual property such as a patent or musical composition. 5) v. to grant permission by governmental authority or private agreement.

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1245A Defender wrote:

Ajetpilot wrote:

I'm probably wrong, but I was under the impression that a permit could be revoked by administrative action, whereas a license could only be revoked be the court. I have no cite, so I have nothing to base that on. Maybe one of our legal eagles could straighten me out.

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got no cites for you but,,,, 20 years ago, bob hoover, ( the worlds greatest pilot) , was asked by a FAA offical "to show me your license please"
the FAA guy would not give it back!!!!
he claimed bob hadnt flowen up to HIS expectations during his airshow routine that time ,
and it took about five years to reverse the decision and force the return of his license thru court action, at great expense...

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I agree that it doesn't matter what it's called. I won't get into the dictionary or the RCWs but what will probably control is what type of entity issued it and what rules and/or procedures are set up by the law that established it. One "license" that can be revoked by administrative action is your Washington driving license. For example, if you fail to pay a speeding ticket the court increases the fine, sends the ticket to a collection agency and notifies the Department of Licensing. DOL then suspends your license (you get it back by paying the now bigger fine). Even for a felony traffic conviction the court will only take physical possession of a license and send notice to DOL which then issues the revocation.

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The number of Washington concealed pistol licenses increased 43 percent between 2003 and 2007, Kitsap Sun reporter Josh Farley showed Sunday.
Here's a preview:
To see the full story and a video and a video interview with gun owners, click here.
Posted by document.writeln(showE2("caseymcnerthney","seattlepi.com","Casey McNerthney"))Casey McNerthney Casey McNerthney at August 31, 2008 6:22 p.m.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/147565.asp

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M1Gunr wrote:

The number of Washington concealed pistol licenses increased 43 percent between 2003 and 2007, Kitsap Sun reporter Josh Farley showed Sunday.
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Spurred by fear of a violent attack -- or because they have actually survived one -- more Washingtonians are getting a concealed pistol license. The license, or CPL, allows them to travel with a hidden gun among an unknowing public. License holders jumped from about 179,000 to 258,000, 43 percent, between 2003 and 2007. The state Department of Licensing says permit applications in Kitsap County jumped from 1,587 in 2004 to 3,339 in 2007.
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To see the full story and a video and a video interview with gun owners, click here.
Posted by document.writeln(showE2("caseymcnerthney","seattlepi.com","Casey McNerthney"))Casey McNerthney Casey McNerthney at August 31, 2008 6:22 p.m.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/147565.asp

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I would have preferred to say that number of permits in 2007 were at 144%+ of the 2003 level. :exclaim: :lol:

Yata hey

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However youwant to play with the numbers.... The numbers are up and I hope they keep going up.



I want more people to carry. Openly or concealed.

I want honest citizens to be able to stand up for their rights and come out of the shadowsof criminals. They should fear us not the way it is now.

United we stand....

Practice! Get comfortable with your carry gear and join us in a practice shoot coming up in April. Draw from your holster, shoot on the move and share a good time with other shooters in a friendly relaxed non competitiveatmosphere.

I will need to add you to my email list so I will need your name (first and last), email, contact phone. I will be sending out information later this month on the upcoming shoot.

Please email me at oldkim@aol.com

Cost $20 for non members $5 for members of Renton Fish and Game Club www.rfgc.org

All shooters must be pre-registered before April 2nd.

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Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?

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Actually I think it is 1 in 24. No matter, it is a huge number. For perspective, there are more permit holders than blacks in Washington State.



http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_tot_bla_pop-people-total-black-population


Astonishing.

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MusingDaddy wrote:

Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?

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What?

Population of Washington in 2007 was 6,468,464
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

License holders in 2007 numbered 258,000
Per citation above on this thread.

258,000 divided by 6,468,464 = 0.039886 or approximately 4% of the population has a license to carry.

Even figuring that 25% of the population is below the age to acquire a license, this would only yield 5.32% of the adult population.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html

Yata hey

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Grapeshot wrote:

MusingDaddy wrote:

Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?

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What?

Population of Washington in 2007 was 6,468,464
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

License holders in 2007 numbered 258,000
Per citation above on this thread.

258,000 divided by 6,468,464 = 0.039886 or approximately 4% of the population has a license to carry.

Even figuring that 25% of the population is below the age to acquire a license, this would only yield 5.32% of the adult population.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html

Yata hey

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You have to add +1 for me receiving my license in '09 lol :celebrate

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Opps, I fat fingered the math. For a minute there I was excited.

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MusingDaddy wrote:

Opps, I fat fingered the math. For a minute there I was excited.

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Don't you wish it were so though?

At one time in this country, it probably was true or nearly so.
28% may well have equaled about half of the adult male population then.

Yata hey

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Grapeshot wrote:

MusingDaddy wrote:

Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?

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What?

Population of Washington in 2007 was 6,468,464
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

License holders in 2007 numbered 258,000
Per citation above on this thread.

258,000 divided by 6,468,464 = 0.039886 or approximately 4% of the population has a license to carry.

Even figuring that 25% of the population is below the age to acquire a license, this would only yield 5.32% of the adult population.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html

Yata hey

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Actually Grapeshot, your figures include those under the age of 18.

The population of adults in Washington (18+) is actually about 5,050,000, which would make the percentage of adults with CPLs just a hair above 5%.

Now, as we all know, those 18-20 cant have a CPL (yet ) so that figure would actually be a percentage point or two more for adults 21+ in Washington who have a CPL.

I wasn't able to find a population figure that would give me accurate numbers for the 18-20 age crowd, but I believe it is somewhere in the mix of 200,000 - 400,000 people.

Cheers!

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FMCDH wrote:

Grapeshot wrote:

MusingDaddy wrote:

Did I just read 28% of people in Washington have a license to carry a concealed pistol?

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What?

Population of Washington in 2007 was 6,468,464
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

License holders in 2007 numbered 258,000
Per citation above on this thread.

258,000 divided by 6,468,464 = 0.039886 or approximately 4% of the population has a license to carry.

Even figuring that 25% of the population is below the age to acquire a license, this would only yield 5.32% of the adult population.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html

Yata hey

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Actually Grapeshot, your figures include those under the age of 18.

The population of adults in Washington (18+) is actually about 5,050,000, which would make the percentage of adults with CPLs just a hair above 5%.

Now, as we all know, those 18-20 cant have a CPL (yet ) so that figure would actually be a percentage point or two more for adults 21+ in Washington who have a CPL.

I wasn't able to find a population figure that would give me accurate numbers for the 18-20 age crowd, but I believe it is somewhere in the mix of 200,000 - 400,000 people.

Cheers!

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Nope - figures exclude those under 18 years and adjusted some for the gap from 18 - 20 years.

Persons under 18 years old, percent, 2008........... 23.5%
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html

My population figures are taken from 2007 figures to be consistent with date of license data.

Just explaining where I got my figures - not arguing, no offense intended.

Whether 4%, 5% or 6% - the number in my mind is significant - just not 28%.

Yata hey