deepdiver
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Good posts Justice402 and welcome to the forum!!
Good posts Justice402 and welcome to the forum!!
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Brass Magnet
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I don't claim to speak for Doug, nor would I try to; but, if he means what I write below, then I agree.
After having a right disabled, there should also be legal recourse for a person to petition that his/her right be restored as well.
And no; I'm not a felon..........
I don't claim to speak for Doug, nor would I try to; but, if he means what I write below, then I agree.
It is my opinion that simply denying one possession of firearms on the grounds that one is a felon without specific due process is wrong; especially if the crime had nothing to do with a firearm. It's my belief that the person should be tried for the crime and if found guilty, should be then tried on whether to disable his/her right to possess arms.
After having a right disabled, there should also be legal recourse for a person to petition that his/her right be restored as well.
And no; I'm not a felon..........
Master Doug Huffman
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Justice402 wrote:
Justice402 wrote:
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
Justice402
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This is why the laws need to be changed. I understand that if someone went to prison for a crime that didn't involve violence, or a weapon such as a drug possession charge then should that take away their right to own a firearm once they're released? I don't know. Simply doing time may not warrant taking away that right. But if someone was released after using a gun in a crime then they should never be able to own or possess a weapon, ever. Let me ask you this, as a police officer if I were found guilty of a crime which could be non violent, lets say I used drugs. I would lose my job and go to jail. Now, once I serve my time and am again a free man, should I be permitted to get another law enforcement position? Under current law I can not. Is this a violation of my rights? I don't think so. Again, it comes down to I knew what I was doing and should have thought about it before committing the crime. But I paid my time, my rights are being violated. Simply being released because someone did their time in prison does not mean they can be trusted. If this is the case, my rights as a police officer are being violated all the time when I arrest someone for a drug possession and their bail is set at $25,000.00 and they go to jail for six months for consuming and possessing some drugs, yet someone assaults me and their bail is set at $2,500.00 with no jail sentence. Go figure. Years ago I arrested someone for assault on me, this person was just released after serving (8) months of a (4) year term he was originally sentenced to when he committed the assault on me. After transporting this individual to the county jail he assaulted me again and had to be subdued by several corrections officers. So now he has (2) charges of assault on me. This is now (2) violations of his parole. He was sentenced to (2) years probation for the assaults on me. As you can see I don't have much sympathy for criminals rights, but the liberals do. God Bless America.
This is why the laws need to be changed. I understand that if someone went to prison for a crime that didn't involve violence, or a weapon such as a drug possession charge then should that take away their right to own a firearm once they're released? I don't know. Simply doing time may not warrant taking away that right. But if someone was released after using a gun in a crime then they should never be able to own or possess a weapon, ever. Let me ask you this, as a police officer if I were found guilty of a crime which could be non violent, lets say I used drugs. I would lose my job and go to jail. Now, once I serve my time and am again a free man, should I be permitted to get another law enforcement position? Under current law I can not. Is this a violation of my rights? I don't think so. Again, it comes down to I knew what I was doing and should have thought about it before committing the crime. But I paid my time, my rights are being violated. Simply being released because someone did their time in prison does not mean they can be trusted. If this is the case, my rights as a police officer are being violated all the time when I arrest someone for a drug possession and their bail is set at $25,000.00 and they go to jail for six months for consuming and possessing some drugs, yet someone assaults me and their bail is set at $2,500.00 with no jail sentence. Go figure. Years ago I arrested someone for assault on me, this person was just released after serving (8) months of a (4) year term he was originally sentenced to when he committed the assault on me. After transporting this individual to the county jail he assaulted me again and had to be subdued by several corrections officers. So now he has (2) charges of assault on me. This is now (2) violations of his parole. He was sentenced to (2) years probation for the assaults on me. As you can see I don't have much sympathy for criminals rights, but the liberals do. God Bless America.
Justice402
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Now atleast I know you are truly a liberal Mr. Huffman. By the use of the word conspiracy. It is the liberals in this country that always use the term "conspiracy" when they hear something they don't want to hear. Now I know to pay no mind to your posts. I knew after reading afew more posts from you I'd be able to figure you out. Thank you for clearing that up.
Now atleast I know you are truly a liberal Mr. Huffman. By the use of the word conspiracy. It is the liberals in this country that always use the term "conspiracy" when they hear something they don't want to hear. Now I know to pay no mind to your posts. I knew after reading afew more posts from you I'd be able to figure you out. Thank you for clearing that up.
Master Doug Huffman
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LOL! Once upon a time a federal agent tried to bring charges against my unit for our non-secure use of "tritium" in our documents. For weeks thereafter he would be greeted with chants of "Tritium, tritium tritium!"
Yep, I'm a liberal. Read Timothy Ferris' The Science of Liberty to discover just what kind of liberal I am. Hint; I don't write for your approval and not for the approval of any anonymous Anony Mouse. FOAD
LOL! Once upon a time a federal agent tried to bring charges against my unit for our non-secure use of "tritium" in our documents. For weeks thereafter he would be greeted with chants of "Tritium, tritium tritium!"
Yep, I'm a liberal. Read Timothy Ferris' The Science of Liberty to discover just what kind of liberal I am. Hint; I don't write for your approval and not for the approval of any anonymous Anony Mouse. FOAD
Brass Magnet
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Justice402 wrote:
As for your hypothetical about if you would use drugs and lose your employment as a police officer:
Because you have no right to be a police officer it's not a good example. If there is a condition of employment and you ignore it; then so be it. There are moral conditions for being a Supreme court justice for instance. They could be impeached for doing something immoral, even if legal.
My issue here is the state taking away natural rights. The state shouldn't be trusted with this; only the people.
Lastly, because one believes strongly in all of our rights doesn't mean they are a "liberal" (used in today's context).
Justice402 wrote:
You do a lot to emphasize the problems in our system (which I agree with) with your post but nothing to weaken my position. The fact that mere possession of drugs is a greater penalty than assault outlines the farce that is the war on drugs. I don't think anyone is arguing for weaker sentencing for criminals; quite the opposite in fact. If a person truly serves his time instead of it getting plea bargained down to nothing by the bleeding hearts, they should be truly "reformed" when they are released and if one can be proven to be reformed by actions there should be no reason to not restore their rights. Simply put: danger to others = in prison. No longer a danger = free with full rights.
As for your hypothetical about if you would use drugs and lose your employment as a police officer:
Because you have no right to be a police officer it's not a good example. If there is a condition of employment and you ignore it; then so be it. There are moral conditions for being a Supreme court justice for instance. They could be impeached for doing something immoral, even if legal.
My issue here is the state taking away natural rights. The state shouldn't be trusted with this; only the people.
Lastly, because one believes strongly in all of our rights doesn't mean they are a "liberal" (used in today's context).
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Justice402 wrote:
You should not be barred by law if you're convicted, though you surely may be barred by policy.
Justice402 wrote:
Twice now you've cited rights violations where there were none. I'm not sure you're understanding what "rights" are. Your rights are not violated just because in your mind assaulting a police officer should cost more than drug violations.
You should not be barred by law if you're convicted, though you surely may be barred by policy.
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By the way, considering how little Doug has posted here, I'd like to see if you can tell me about my politics. I've surely posted more words (none of which you have bothered to reply to) and given my opinion. What box do I fit in?
By the way, considering how little Doug has posted here, I'd like to see if you can tell me about my politics. I've surely posted more words (none of which you have bothered to reply to) and given my opinion. What box do I fit in?
Justice402
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CarryOpen wrote:
CarryOpen wrote:
I guess I offended you since I didn't respond to any of your posts. You must feel your important since as you say Mr. Huffman has posted less. There's your response. You can go and gloat now.
Mr.FiredUp
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Ummmm..... People? Why do these threads keep digressing into bash sessions? I think Justice402 just wanted to say he agreed with us. Why can't we keep it civil (that means all of us)? If someone says something you disagree with, why not share opinions without aggression? Let's focus on making this a positive forum.
Thank you for your support, Mr. Justice (or officer Justice), of our rights. Good to have a man behind a badge behind the citizens. It seems as though "your type" of cops are fewer and more far between. Thank you for your service to this country.
BTW... I would probably have my weapon aimed at the robber until the police got there and then immediately (yet slowly) lay on the ground and slide my weapon across the floor. I'd rather give up my right for a few minutes then get shot.
Ummmm..... People? Why do these threads keep digressing into bash sessions? I think Justice402 just wanted to say he agreed with us. Why can't we keep it civil (that means all of us)? If someone says something you disagree with, why not share opinions without aggression? Let's focus on making this a positive forum.
Thank you for your support, Mr. Justice (or officer Justice), of our rights. Good to have a man behind a badge behind the citizens. It seems as though "your type" of cops are fewer and more far between. Thank you for your service to this country.
BTW... I would probably have my weapon aimed at the robber until the police got there and then immediately (yet slowly) lay on the ground and slide my weapon across the floor. I'd rather give up my right for a few minutes then get shot.
Justice402
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I came on this site to commend everyone for their position on open carrying. My intention was not to get into a pi$$ing match with anyone. That being said I guess its time to move on.
I came on this site to commend everyone for their position on open carrying. My intention was not to get into a pi$$ing match with anyone. That being said I guess its time to move on.