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    0V3RC10CK3D wrote:
    AWwwwwww $#^%$%&$^


    Nice catch Bookman. I only saw Feb 25 and got too carried away...


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    0V3RC10CK3D wrote: Check the dateline. This is from LAST year.

    Don't worry about it, though. I got hooked by it earlier Sunday.
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    I knew there was something wrong when I clicked it. Obama is anti-gun control. He understands why we can't put a ban on assault weapons for the same reason we won't let anyone take our rights. :shock:

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    DaemonForce wrote:
    I knew there was something wrong when I clicked it. Obama is anti-gun control. He understands why we can't put a ban on assault weapons for the same reason we won't let anyone take our rights. :shock:
    He's not anti-gun control, he's anti-gun. Most liberal senator in DC remember? He just isn't stupid enough to even attempt anything with the surge in gun sales & carry papers just before he took office. He'd love to disarm us if he thought he could.
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    Could not agree with you more! Obamma and Holder have both publicly stated that they recognize Americans rights regarding weapons. They addressed it but for some reason people still say they are anti-gun. I don't get it?

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    shooter63 wrote:
    Could not agree with you more! Obamma and Holder have both publicly stated that they recognize Americans rights regarding weapons. They addressed it but for some reason people still say they are anti-gun. I don't get it?
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    shooter63 wrote:
    Could not agree with you more! Obamma and Holder have both publicly stated that they recognize Americans rights regarding weapons. They addressed it but for some reason people still say they are anti-gun. I don't get it?
    It's not what they say, it's what they do!



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    shooter63 wrote:
    Could not agree with you more! Obamma and Holder have both publicly stated that they recognize Americans rights regarding weapons. They addressed it but for some reason people still say they are anti-gun. I don't get it?
    It's not what they say, it's what they do!



    Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.
    In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions, such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure.
    Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted against the bill.
    On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.
    Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.241-242 Aug 1, 2008



    Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
    Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms?

    A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
    Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
    A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
    Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008

    FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
    Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”

    Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
    35. Do you support state legislation to:
    a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
    b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
    c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
    Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”
    Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008




    April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist
    April 11th produced "Bittergate." The Huffington Post website posted an explanation Obama gave at a private fundraiser in San Francisco of the challenges he faced with working-class voters in Pennsylvania and Indiana. "It's not surprising they get bitter," he said, referring to decades of constrained economic opportunities. "They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

    Clinton said the remarks were "not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans." McCain said Obama showed "breathtaking" elitism. Obama challenged the accusations, and noted in response to the charge of elitism that he had been raised by a single mother who relied on food stamps, but conceded he could have been more diplomatic.
    Source: Obama for Beginners, by Bob Neer, p. 61 Apr 1, 2008

    Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
    Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?

    A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
    Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008




    Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
    Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?

    A: I don’t think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You’ve got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you’ve got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.
    Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008



    2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
    Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007



    Concealed carry OK for retired police officers Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
    When I queried him about the vote, he said, “I didn’t find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms.“
    It wasn’t until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
    Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007



    Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
    A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we’ve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not made in our communities. There aren’t any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who’ve been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That’s a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don’t have it right now.
    Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007



    Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
    OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
    Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004



    Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
    • Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
    • Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
    • Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
    • Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
    • Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
    Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005
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    Wow. I stand corrected. You are obviously more informed and I appreciate the feedback, that was why I state "I don't get it"; now I do.

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    shooter63 wrote:
    Could not agree with you more! Obamma and Holder have both publicly stated that they recognize Americans rights regarding weapons. They addressed it but for some reason people still say they are anti-gun. I don't get it?
    Geraghty Rule (Jim Geraghty, National Review Online): AllBarack Obama statements come with an expiration date. All of them.

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    Obama may behave stupidly but he is not totally stupid. He is aware, especially after he was named the "Gun Salesman of the Year" by many, that any attempt to ban firearms will assure that he is a "One Term" president and he will no doubt have a lot of other Democrats who were to support such action on the unemployment line. The run up in Gun Sales, Ammo Sales, Reloading Supply Sales, that began the day after he was elected was a loud message that there were a lot of folks out there that didn't care for his previously stated anti-gun stance. He also realizes that there are a lot more armed citizens out there that were previously not. Draw any conclusion from that you wish.

    Do not delude yourself into thinking Obama is in the slightest, Pro Gun.




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