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Secret Service OC - Obama vs. Bush

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Please do not make this a Bush vs. Obama thing, or attack against any political party.

When Bush was President, if you were protesting, you had to usually go to a "protest" area, and anyone with a gun was usually detained.

Why is it different under Obama that the US Secret Service is not detaining gun owners and allowing people with AR's be in the vicinity.

Again, looking for why things might have changed (political climate, opencarry being recognized?) not for a debate on Obama.
 
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Heller happened, for starters, so the climate is definately changing, and this started prior to Obama taking office. It just happens to be picking up steam during his term, which his anti-gun stance might be affecting.
 
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I don't know that anything is different. I don't think anyone is allowed in the "immediate" vicinity (as in visual shot range) of any President with a firearm. Those that have attended Town hall events and ralleys armed where Obama was present, were not inside the so-called sterile zones. They certainly didn't have any chance of taking a shot at the Pres, from their locations.

There was the guy that was detainedlast summer for OC at an event that Obama was to appear who wasn't in the "sterile" zone.

I didn't hear of Bush requiring everyone attending his events to remove their shoes, after that little incident in Iraq. :uhoh:
 
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Its simple. People who protested Bush didnt own guns. People who protest Obama do.

People who protest Bush dont know the constitution. People who protest Obama do.



However, I am not aware of any law or policy changes.
 
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Never know anybody to get inside the security perimeter that was ignored/tolerated or let off easy.

So don't see any change up close and personal.

Yata hey
 
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Ca Patriot wrote:
Its simple. People who protested Bush didnt own guns. People who protest Obama do.

People who protest Bush dont know the constitution. People who protest Obama do.



However, I am not aware of any law or policy changes.
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I think you might have nailed it there, bud. ;)
 
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Actually, it's because we can.


The Constitutions of most of our states assert that all power is inherent in the people;that... it is their right & duty to be at all times armed;...

Thomas Jefferson,letter to justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824
 
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Nah, completely untrue, the extreme radical left movement, the anarchists for example believing in armed revolution, and are arrested armed all the time.




Task Force 16 wrote:
Ca Patriot wrote:
Its simple. People who protested Bush didnt own guns. People who protest Obama do.

People who protest Bush dont know the constitution. People who protest Obama do.



However, I am not aware of any law or policy changes.
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I think you might have nailed it there, bud. ;)
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Ca Patriot wrote:
Its simple.  People who protested Bush didnt own guns.  People who protest Obama do. 

People who protest Bush dont know the constitution.  People who protest Obama do.

 

However, I am not aware of any law or policy changes.
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I don't know, people that protested the Patriot Act, I think, knew something about the Constitution. Of course, both Presidents have supported this unlawful foolishness.

“If the president does it, that means it's not illegal..."
~Richard M. Nixon
 
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tekshogun wrote:
Ca Patriot wrote:
Its simple. People who protested Bush didnt own guns. People who protest Obama do.

People who protest Bush dont know the constitution. People who protest Obama do.



However, I am not aware of any law or policy changes.
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I don't know, people that protested the Patriot Act, I think, knew something about the Constitution. Of course, both Presidents have supported this unlawful foolishness.

“If the president does it, that means it's not illegal..."
~Richard M. Nixon
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I have been flamed many a time on many a forum, for voicing my negative opinions regarding the Gestapo act, I mean the Patriot Act.......watching and waiting for the flaming to begin...:cool:
 
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Ca Patriot wrote:
Its simple. People who protested Bush didnt own guns. People who protest Obama do.

People who protest Bush dont know the constitution. People who protest Obama do.



However, I am not aware of any law or policy changes.
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I've protested both of them, I own guns, and I've read a few things about the Constitution. Where do I fit in? :celebrate
 
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Grapeshot wrote:
Never know anybody to get inside the security perimeter that was ignored/tolerated or let off easy.


Yata hey
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:quirky

Ask me about it the next time we meet up.
 
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All I can say is never berrate, undestimate, or deemphasize your opponents. Anti-gun activists know the U.S.Constitutionand they know it well. If you don't think an amendment to the constitution can not be amended, think again... It can be interpreted in a host of different ways, we must be vigilant in maintaining our rights as is written and make it Supremely known and clarified that the mean what they say.
 
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Just thought of another angle concerning this topic.

We all know that the MSM is anti-gun as well as pro-Obama, right? I think that we are seeing more of this phenominon for two reasons.

First, the OC movement has taken off across the nation in the last few years. More people are doing it on a daily basis.

Second, the MSM is making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I have to wonder how many folks showed up at Bush events OC, but the MSM chose not to report it. Maybe they were hoping some one would shoot Bush. But now that their hero, "The Chosen One" is Pres, they have to create a scenario of threatening proportions against the Pres and the Democrats.

I've also noticed that most of the MSM hubbub is centered around people carrying arms at Democrat events. We carry at Republican events as well, but they don't seem to notice that.

I believe that it's more to do with perception..... and who'sspinningit.
 
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Ca Patriot wrote:
Its simple. People who protested Bush didnt own guns. People who protest Obama do.
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Certainly that generalization doesn't apply to me, but I think you might be correct in terms of averages.
 
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Task Force 16 wrote:
Just thought of another angle concerning this topic.

We all know that the MSM is anti-gun as well as pro-Obama, right? I think that we are seeing more of this phenominon for two reasons.

First, the OC movement has taken off across the nation in the last few years. More people are doing it on a daily basis.

Second, the MSM is making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I have to wonder how many folks showed up at Bush events OC, but the MSM chose not to report it. Maybe they were hoping some one would shoot Bush. But now that their hero, "The Chosen One" is Pres, they have to create a scenario of threatening proportions against the Pres and the Democrats.

I've also noticed that most of the MSM hubbub is centered around people carrying arms at Democrat events. We carry at Republican events as well, but they don't seem to notice that.

I believe that it's more to do with perception..... and who'sspinningit.
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the liberal drive by media. correct.:)
 
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tekshogun wrote:
All I can say is never berrate, undestimate, or deemphasize your opponents. Anti-gun activists know the U.S.Constitutionand they know it well. If you don't think an amendment to the constitution can not be amended, think again... It can be interpreted in a host of different ways, we must be vigilant in maintaining our rights as is written and make it Supremely known and clarified that the mean what they say.
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Amendments to the Constitution can be amended... the Bill of Rights, however, is unamendable. Am I naive to the point of believing the idiots we have in Washington, the press, and a host of other places also believe this to be fact? Nope, not for a minute. They seem to believe the Bill of Rights is subject to whatever changes they may want. Not true according to at least two of our Founders.
 
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tekshogun wrote:
Ca Patriot wrote:
Its simple.  People who protested Bush didnt own guns.  People who protest Obama do. 

People who protest Bush dont know the constitution.  People who protest Obama do.

 

However, I am not aware of any law or policy changes.
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I don't know, people that protested the Patriot Act, I think, knew something about the Constitution. Of course, both Presidents have supported this unlawful foolishness.

“If the president does it, that means it's not illegal..."
~Richard M. Nixon
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Begone! Patriots love Bush, and they hate Obama, and the Patriot act is irrelevant!
 
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PavePusher wrote:
Ca Patriot wrote:
Its simple.  People who protested Bush didnt own guns.  People who protest Obama do. 

People who protest Bush dont know the constitution.  People who protest Obama do.

 

However, I am not aware of any law or policy changes.
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I've protested both of them, I own guns, and I've read a few things about the Constitution.  Where do I fit in? :celebrate
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You must have been stoned when you were reading the Constitution. People who understand it love Bush, remember?

(OK, I'll stop. I could laugh at this one all day.)
 
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