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    Sigh,

    I got an email from a friend who was pulled over last night for a headlight being out.The officer approached him with his hand on his gun and stayed well back. When the officer returned with the ticket he asked if my friend was carrying and friend told the officerhe was not in possession of a firearm at that time.

    The officer then went on his diatribe about how he needs to disclose his CPL and how he could be ticketed for non-disclosure. It seems my friend did the right thing by just shutting up and taking his ticket and not arguing on the side of the road.

    We still have a long way to go.

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    Officers name and department?
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    A complaint needs to be filed against the officer. If he needs help writing it, I'm sure folks here would be happy to help. That includes me.
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    T Vance wrote:
    I've thoughtabout that situationif I was ever pulled over while not carrying. I've thought about saying "I have my CPL, but I am not carrying at the moment."
    That might be a good CYA, but why should you have to play into LEO's false sense of dictatorship? They NEED to KNOW the law they enforce. I'll never disclose my cpl when I'm unarmed. Law enforcement needs to learn, not be coddled.
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    This discussion came up in my CPL class. We were told correctly that we do not need to disclose if we were not carrying but it was suggested to disclose anyways as a courtesy to the officer because they will be notified when running your license that you have a CPL.

    I myself don't disclose unless I'm forced to. The law itself to have to disclose in the first place doesnt make much sense. Considering we've been deemed safe to carry being forced to be licensed by the state.

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    cop on a power trip, make a complaint.
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    jeremy05 wrote:
    cop on a power trip, make a complaint.
    I agree this officer needs some training. You might want to have him FOIA it and we can put his diatribe on Youtube. Would be a good addition to the list of police on there who are clueless about firearms laws.

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    Taurus850CIA wrote:
    Officers name and department?
    I asked for that in my reply to him. I'm still waiting for a response.

    More than likely are either Portage or Kalamazoo City PD. Less likely areKalamazoo County or State PD.

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    Michigander wrote:
    A complaint needs to be filed against the officer. If he needs help writing it, I'm sure folks here would be happy to help. That includes me.
    I have also suggested this.

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    mikestilly wrote:
    I agree this officer needs some training. You might want to have him FOIA it and we can put his diatribe on Youtube. Would be a good addition to the list of police on there who are clueless about firearms laws.
    Had not thought of that. I'll passthe suggestion on to him.

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    Let him know I strip out the personal info if any is on the FOIA. Would be really interesting to see.

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    My dad went thru the same thing a few years back when cc was new,not carrying and was pulled over and had the same speech given to him.He should complain!

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    I would complain. Maybe you can get him fired.

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    Hombre1 wrote:
    I would complain. Maybe you can get him fired.
    No one wants him fired. BUT he should be applying the law as written not as he thinks it should be. And it is just possible that he was trained wrong and has not even read the law word for word and just needs to be shown what it really says.
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    autosurgeon wrote:
    Hombre1 wrote:
    I would complain. Maybe you can get him fired.
    No one wants him fired. BUT he should be applying the law as written not as he thinks it should be. And it is just possible that he was trained wrong and has not even read the law word for word and just needs to be shown what it really says.
    Well, why not? Get him fired. In fact, I think we should all call and complain based on this important HEARSAY information. I'm sure ALL the officer has is a complete recording (audio and video) of the stop. Fire the cop!

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    Hombre1 wrote:
    autosurgeon wrote:
    Hombre1 wrote:
    I would complain. Maybe you can get him fired.
    No one wants him fired. BUT he should be applying the law as written not as he thinks it should be. And it is just possible that he was trained wrong and has not even read the law word for word and just needs to be shown what it really says.
    Well, why not? Get him fired. In fact, I think we should all call and complain based on this important HEARSAY information. I'm sure ALL the officer has is a complete recording (audio and video) of the stop. Fire the cop!
    Keeps trolling trolling trolling
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    Keeps trolling trolling trolling
    Watch out!!!

    You'll get jvanhorn all over your ass too!!!

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    The cop was wrong. This is how it reads on the MSP website... http://michigan.gov/msp/1,1607,7-123...0941--,00.html



    Proper Conduct During Encounters with Police


    Responsibilities of Individuals With a CCW License:

    1. An individual licensed to carry a concealed pistol who is stopped by a police officer (traffic stop or otherwise) while in possession of a pistol shall immediately discloseto the police officer that he or she is carrying a concealed pistol either on their person or in their motor vehicle.


    • Failure to disclose this information to a police officer carries the following penalties:


    • First offense = State Civil Infraction - $500 fine and 6-month CCW license suspension.
    • Second offense = State Civil Infraction - $1000 fine and CCW license revocation.


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    Don't try to make that point to Hombre1 as he his a state police hater.springerdave.

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    jeremy05 wrote:
    Hombre1 wrote:
    autosurgeon wrote:
    Hombre1 wrote:
    I would complain. Maybe you can get him fired.
    No one wants him fired. BUT he should be applying the law as written not as he thinks it should be. And it is just possible that he was trained wrong and has not even read the law word for word and just needs to be shown what it really says.
    Well, why not? Get him fired. In fact, I think we should all call and complain based on this important HEARSAY information. I'm sure ALL the officer has is a complete recording (audio and video) of the stop. Fire the cop!
    Keeps trolling trolling trolling
    Here I have a case of these.
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    You guys seem pretty quick to jump on hearsay info as long as it indicts a police officer. Right?

    I demand to see a copy of said ticket, the police report and the in-car video or it didn't happen.

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    I'm sure the video and audio will be distorted or "missing" as soon as someone files a FOIA.



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