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It is time for more aggressive (but rational) pushing of the envelope.

Hopefully, all of you are taking your money to pro-carry operations whenever practical and, if none are available, head for the neutral locations that support local law. I'm not really a big fan of Starbuck's Coffee but they're getting more of my business lately. Best Buy, Home Depot, Cabela's, Sportsmen's Warehouse and Wal-Mart all need reminding that their policy decisions affect their bottom line.

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If I knew someone was shoplifting from an anti-gun establishment, I wouldn't say anything. They deserve much worse. I'd see nothing wrong with them being robbed blind and only those establishments left standing that respect Human Rights.

Yeah, yeah, I know, Property Rights trump My Right to continue Living. Property and Money are, by definition, more valuable than Life in a Capitalist Society. Killing people, or simply reducing their quality of life to force them to buy it back, is the absolute engine of it...

Life is the most worthless thing in Capitalism, it's only natural to Trump the Tools of preserving it with Profit. Besides, if you're dead, more for them! One less hand in the cookie jar.

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the home depots in tn do allow u to open carry i do all the time

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I am also quoted in this article. The quote came from the 1 on 1 interview I had with Nick Wingfield.

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aadvark wrote:

I am trying to get our Local Goodwill Store to lift their NO GUNS Sign located at the front door of their Establishment.

Thus far, I have little success, however; I am readily anticipate recieving returned correspondence from Goodwill's President of North Georgia Operations.

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Do let us know how that turns out.

I shop at Goodwill, Salvation Army and otherlocal thrifts frequently - almost always concealed, though. Too much of a crowd for me to be comfortable with OC, actually, and I figure I run the risk of getting banned from a shop I really enjoy.

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I have not oc in home depot but have oc in wal mart, several resturants, quick stores. lowes, just to name a few, I have made a few phone calls to police department in my area and there are no city ordinances against oc in Bourbon, Cuba, Sullivan, St. Clair, Leasburg, Pacific. Union, I have had no issues so far, the only thing is one Saturday evening I was in China Buffet and some one ( probably another customer) call the local police, they showed up and watched me from out side for about 10 to 15 minutes and finally came and sat down but never said a word. Yea you do get a few looks and even a few comments. Now I have gotten a Concealed Handgun Permit badge, and usually wear it next to my weapon, when I oc, this seems to put people at ease some what, I have been asked if I am a Cop, and I simply reply, No just an armed American citizen exercising my rights, hope this helps

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I've been an advocate of concealed carry forever. I hold one of the first CWPs issued in Florida. But I CANNOT go along with Open Carry as it is very intimidating to everyone in sight - except maybe another open carry dude.

This movement needs to be converted to ConcealedCarry.org before the general populous turns against all firearms.

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xml357 wrote:

I've been an advocate of concealed carry forever. I hold one of the first CWPs issued in Florida. But I CANNOT go along with Open Carry as it is very intimidating to everyone in sight - except maybe another open carry dude.

This movement needs to be converted to ConcealedCarry.org before the general populous turns against all firearms.

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The only people who are intimidated should be criminals and criminal safety supporters (most politicians, the Brady Campaign, LCAV, etc...) Look around the forum and you'll see numerous stories of open carry stopping crimes before they even begin.

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xml357 wrote:

I've been an advocate of concealed carry forever. I hold one of the first CWPs issued in Florida. But I CANNOT go along with Open Carry as it is very intimidating to everyone in sight - except maybe another open carry dude.

This movement needs to be converted to ConcealedCarry.org before the general populous turns against all firearms.

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Yep - I guess your right.

That is why OC is now only recognized in 43 states. :quirky
http://www.opencarry.org/opencarry.html

Frankly, I don't care how you choose to carry. Just do so responsibly.

Yata hey

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I'm not sure of the exact ordnance (will try to research) but Florida passed a law prohibiting any business from banning 'legally owned firearms' from their property or taking action against any employee who owns one and keeps it in their vehicle in the parking lot. Not to brag, but most of the states that have right to carry, are patterned after Florida.

Fight for right to own and carry concealed.

I'm concerned if this 'open carry' goes through it could very well result in the repeal of our precious 2nd Ammendment. Arrgggg.

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xml357 wrote:

I've been an advocate of concealed carry forever. I hold one of the first CWPs issued in Florida. But I CANNOT go along with Open Carry as it is very intimidating to everyone in sight - except maybe another open carry dude.

This movement needs to be converted to ConcealedCarry.org before the general populous turns against all firearms.

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Hey, look, another 1 post Wonder with no education on the topic here to tell us what to do with ourselves.

I hold one of the many CWPs issued in the State of Florida, and what did it do for me?

1) It did not PREVENT someone from snatching my son in a crowded mall and then holding him as a human shield.

2) It did not PREVENT someone from trying to bash in my car window in a McDonald's Drive thru.

It DID let me fight back. But it did NOT PREVENT.

Intimidation implies a desire to coerce others, OCers don't have any such interest. You're insinuation that you know the intent of others is an overused propagandist tactic. Very few people fall for it anymore. Least of all, people on these forums. We've been fighting that kind of deception most of our lives, you'll have to try harder to get one past us.

You talk and spew hate-speech just like a few other low post count users in another recent thread. Sock Puppet. You do it with manners, but it's still slanderous deception.

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ixtow wrote:

Grapeshot wrote:

Stuff...doubt and then distrust.

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The NRA made themselves unworthy of a citizen's trust a long time ago.

The NRA have made it abundantly clear that they support a paid-for, government-issued PRIVILEGE, not anyone's rights of any kind at all.

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The NRA cares about the NRA and it's bottom line , not us, not freedom,while they feed it's members to drunkeness onit's Kool-Aid compromising on the real matters pertaining to freedom and the RIGHT to life. If I knew better in 2000 I would never have wasted my $750 for a lifetime membership with this organisation who is in bed with the ATF.

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xml357 wrote:

I'm concerned if this 'open carry' goes through it could very well result in the repeal of our precious 2nd Ammendment. Arrgggg.

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HAhahahahahahaha!

1) OC IS the 2nd Amendment

2) It doesn't 'go through,' it already exists.

You have no clue of what you speak. Your common threads are showing, Sock Puppet.

Seriously, do you think we're all unaware of the map? http://opencarry.org/opencarry.html

You come to this website and think that it's members don't know that's there? Florida is only one of 7 States that outright prohibits it.

Silly Seattle Sock Puppet....

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'Sock Puppet' -romalol

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reverenddan wrote:

I find that surprising.

You can now see why I don't work for HD any more. A company so capricious in their applications of standards has no respect from me.

Everything, and I do mean everything, is standardized from headquarters in Atlanta GA and there is very little rhyme or reason. My wife works for HD and she is continually frustrated by the whimsical standards. She will be forced to implement a new standard (she is a merchandiser) and the overload of paperwork and "busy-work" drives her to distraction, only to have the new standard done away with in two weeks time. Literally.

I guess I would put Home Depot's standard up there with Starbucks, they simply don't want to deter customers. Employees are another thing.

Well, I'm glad I found this site. Will pursue it more.

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Most companies in reality consider you the employee as "inventory", you are not a human being with rights, they don't care about your well being or welfare they only care about what you can do for them, for their gain and in the most cheapest way possible. I have heard that a rule of thumb on your value to them is generally twice what your wage is that they pay you.

So of course they don't care if you get killed on the way to or from workor on the job, you are replaceable, expendable, you are property to them, in fact you are nothing more than a slave. The goal of the education system today is just to indoctrinate you to the phoney "new age" way of doing things, dumbing you down from being an individual with self motivation, self relience and critical thinking. You instead are almost a mindless automoton who got an education to give you enough skill to "run the machines and do the paperwork" but too dumb to think or do anything else! The jobs just keep getting cheaper and cheaper and @#$%tier and @#$%tier! Ode To You, Big Box Mart!!! Welcome to the machine!

No surprise here about most companies banning guns in the workplace.

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xml357 wrote:

I'm not sure of the exact ordnance (will try to research) but Florida passed a law prohibiting any business from banning 'legally owned firearms' from their property or taking action against any employee who owns one and keeps it in their vehicle in the parking lot. Not to brag, but most of the states that have right to carry, are patterned after Florida.

Fight for right to own and carry concealed.

I'm concerned if this 'open carry' goes through it could very well result in the repeal of our precious 2nd Ammendment. Arrgggg.

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Can you articulate why a Civil Right must be concealed from view?



Please, don't ever let me see you carry or reada book I find offensive...

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xml357 wrote:

I'm concerned if this 'open carry' goes through it could very well result in the repeal of our precious 2nd Ammendment. Arrgggg.

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A RIGHT cannot be repealed! The RIGHT to carry a gun and defend yourself was NEVER given to us! Sure they could repeal the Second Amendment but that doesn't change your RIGHT to carry a gun, RIGHTS are in-alienable, from God, our creator and existing from the beginning of mankind, we don't get any of our RIGHTS from the Bill Of Rights and Constitution, Declaration of Independenceor the "Gubberment"

See this and learn my brother:

Zero Protection


by Michael Badnarik

I'm very grateful to RepublicMagazine.com for giving me this opportunity to share what I've learned about the Constitution over the last twenty-five years. I hope this column will help restore the principles that led to the Constitution, a document which has been ignored, abandoned, and violated for too long.

You may be shocked to discover that I absolutely hate the phrase "Constitutional rights". That's because neither the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights has anything at all to do with your rights. If they burn the First Amendment, are you going to give up your freedom of religion? I don't think so. If they shred the Second Amendment, are you going to voluntarily turn in your guns, and risk being slaughtered en masse like the victims of the Holocaust? I certainly hope not. Please disabuse yourself of the habit of using that nasty, misleading phrase.

While I'm at it, I want you to stop pretending that the Constitution even protects your rights. It does no such thing! Imagine standing on a railroad track in the path of an oncoming locomotive, holding up a copy of the Constitution for "protection". That's how much protection the Constitution gives you. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

You think I'm kidding?! I am not using hyperbole to emphasize a point. How much protection did the Constitution give us against FDR's socialist New Deal? None. How much protection has it given you against the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, or the Real ID Act? Zero. What will the Second Amendment do to prevent ATF agents from kicking down your door to confiscate your firearms? Zip. Nada. Nothing at all.

Do I have your attention, yet?

The reason we are standing chest deep in the septic tank of today's political process is because we've lost sight of the fact that "We the People" are supposed to be protecting the Constitution, not the other way around. We complain about the problems in Washington D.C. without facing up to the fact that Congress is only the symptom. We the People are the source of the problem. That is going to change. Right here. Right now.

All of our political problems can be traced back to a single, simple, misunderstanding. Americans have forgotten (or never knew) the difference between RIGHTS and PRIVILEGES. (See http://www.constitutionpreservation.org/sites/default/files/files-misc/chapter_two.pdf
A right is something that you can do without asking for permission, such as walking back and forth on your property. A privilege is something you require permission to do, such as walking back and forth across my property. I may grant you the privilege of walking across my property - BUT - I can revoke that privilege any time I wish. Rights and privileges are opposites! Either you need permission - or you don't. You can't lose "some" of your virginity, or be "a little bit" pregnant. You either are or you're not. There's no middle ground.

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Badnarik wrote:

The reason we are standing chest deep in the septic tank of today's political process is because we've lost sight of the fact that "We the People" are supposed to be protecting the Constitution, not the other way around.

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Politicians attack it with unspeakable vengeance, it's up to us to preserve it.

If those attackers have all the guns............ We're not going to be able to do a very good job.

This is THE reason why I can't stand people who want to 'be reasonable' and let 'the system work for us.' It doesn't work for anything but itself. If you don't threaten it when it threatens you, the Constitution dies. A piece of paper will not save anyone from anything. The ideas preserved in the constitution mean and do nothing, if it doesn't get conveyed into the minds of the People it was meant as a Blood-Bought gift for.

Squander that gift in 'being reasonable,' and you'll get exactly what you deserve for doing it.

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ixtow wrote:

Badnarik wrote:

The reason we are standing chest deep in the septic tank of today's political process is because we've lost sight of the fact that "We the People" are supposed to be protecting the Constitution, not the other way around.

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Politicians attack it with unspeakable vengeance, it's up to us to preserve it.

If those attackers have all the guns............ We're not going to be able to do a very good job.

This is THE reason why I can't stand people who want to 'be reasonable' and let 'the system work for us.' It doesn't work for anything but itself. If you don't threaten it when it threatens you, the Constitution dies. A piece of paper will not save anyone from anything. The ideas preserved in the constitution mean and do nothing, if it doesn't get conveyed into the minds of the People it was meant as a Blood-Bought gift for.

Squander that gift in 'being reasonable,' and you'll get exactly what you deserve for doing it.

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Amen Ixtow,

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Mike wrote:

HankT wrote:

WSJ wrote:

"We support the self-defense rights of law-abiding Americans in accordance with local, state and federal laws," says Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman, who declined further comment on open-carry activity.
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Ugh. Why isn't the NRA saying more about this issue? Not good.

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Well they have supported open carry rights before with their alerts, notably Wisconsin . . .

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Well, NRA is on OC's side generally. That's for sure. They pretty much have to be. But this careful and general statement is, as GS pointed out, very politician-like. What is the NRA waiting for--some Dick Morris custom polling?

Arulanandam had an opportunity to hit the ball out of the park on the major newspaper in this nation. Instead, he bunted for a single. Thanks a lot, Mr. A.