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    check this site out, if anyone is interested in supporting the flint police dept next monday at city hall there is going to be a conference.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D2Uz...layer_embedded

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    flint needs all the police they can get out there im there in the "bad" areas often

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    Perhaps Flint PD should bring back the dreaded Reserve Police Officers...

    Its either that or they start allowing the community to police themselves. Make members of the community responsible once again for the actions that are taken with that community. If the citizens, residents and business owners of flint wish to rid there fair city of gangs and violence, then they themselves are the only ones who can do it, by sticking together and working together, to form watch groups and neighborhood patrols.

    Look at the residents of Detroit. The ones that truly care, finally said enough is enough, we want our city back. We want a safe community once again. And so far, their watch groups and neighborhood patrols seem to be working for them.

    Remember... A watchful community is an aware community. But an armed society is a polite society...

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    Start a program, and at the cost of One man's salary, you can train 20 and issue them radios, vests and badges - even keep a special frequency for them.

    Then, when called, they can respond as needed.

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    Before MOC members support Flint PD, should we understand if Flint PD supports our cause?



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    sasha601 wrote:
    Before MOC members support Flint PD, should we understand if Flint PD supports our cause?

    i agree...why should MOC support flint ifthey dont support MOC??...im not saying they do or dont...i simply dont know...but im sure someone knows of the flint PD's general view of OC
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    I support the lay off. They had many many chances to save their jobs! Maybe crime will go down as a result of this.

    As far as keeping us safe: That is impossible any where, especially in Flint They are first responders, not pre-sponders. I Have had personal experience with this matter. Called many times, sent Twp. once (They said they can't help), told once to come to station if I wanted help, told twice too busy to show up. once they showed and then carelessly handled a shot gun around me. once told They were on break. I hate to say it but the Union ruins just about every thing it corrupts...I mean touches.. Well then you get what we have here in Flint town.

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    JMO....flint isn't worth saving. They have had multiple chances over the last 10 years since GM left and all they have done is keep supporting the most corrupt city government in the state.

    Bulldoze it and sell the property!

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    WARCHILD wrote:
    JMO....flint isn't worth saving. They have had multiple chances over the last 10 years since GM left and all they have done is keep supporting the most corrupt city government in the state.

    Bulldoze it and sell the property!
    Agreed. It's amazing that in the last four or five years a few buildings were restored and the the City thinks they are going places. So yes, bulldoze it.

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    Flint had a mayor who wanted to hire more cops, but the Union had a fit, so the Mayor said fine we will make flint patrols one man cars, then the union/city counsel cried it was to dangerous. I looked at it this way... The State cops are single man cars, and so is the Genesee Co. who are located in flint.
    I remember a city counsel woman telling the audience that she saw a cop writting a ticket for an abandone car, she said that he looked scared & he shouldn't have been in that area alone. If that were the case then he should have asked for help, or stayed in his car, or maybe he should have stayed in school, or took a dish washing job. Either way Flint is a waste of time, it's corrupt, and controlled by greedy unions.
    The Good Ole Boys Club is letting Flint become as Detroit.

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    CrossPistols wrote:
    Flint had a mayor who wanted to hire more cops, but the Union had a fit, so the Mayor said fine we will make flint patrols one man cars, then the union/city counsel cried it was to dangerous. I looked at it this way... The State cops are single man cars, and so is the Genesee Co. who are located in flint.
    I remember a city counsel woman telling the audience that she saw a cop writting a ticket for an abandone car, she said that he looked scared & he shouldn't have been in that area alone. If that were the case then he should have asked for help, or stayed in his car, or maybe he should have stayed in school, or took a dish washing job. Either way Flint is a waste of time, it's corrupt, and controlled by greedy unions.
    The Good Ole Boys Club is letting Flint become as Detroit.
    I dont know if it has changed due to the budgets, but last I knew MSP paired up after dark and only ran 2 man cars during the night time hours. Genesee county unless something has changed only runs like 2 general patrol cars in genesee county, the rest are the paramedic deputies who spend most of their time taking medical calls rather than answering calls for service.. so its not that bad.

    I worked in flint as a paramedic for a little over a year. Yes, its bad there, and bad things do happen, but if an officer uses some common sense, and is 110% aware of his surroundings and calls for backup as appropriate, then one man cars are a good idea. Laying off cops in a city with crime like it is really sucks for the people of flint...and for the other officers who remain on the job.

    Unions have destroyed most jobs anymore... look at the big three.. the unions have jacked up labor and health care costs so high, the CEO of GM is more of a health insurance administrator than he is a CEO of a car company!
    The same goes for public safety.. the unions have demanded so much in pay and benefits and when the budgets get cut or crunched, dont want to concede anything or very little. With that said, i believe that those in public safety should earn a respective living wage, given the job that we do.. but we should also know when to give a little back and to compromise.

    On the flip side of that.. municipalities should realize the LAST place they need to cut is public safety funding... but many times that is the FIRST place they look

    My thoughts and prayers are with them for sure!

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    thats the first place they cut because it has the biggest impact on the people and they use that to try to scare them into giving them more money in the future!!!

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    The elected city officials always threaten to reduce the basic's in order to get the money they want spend.It always happens when they have to cut costs.They threaten to cut police and fire to scare the citizens into giving in.The people need to protest this old way of polotics and contact their city officials and tell them how angry they are,and threaten them with replacing them instead of reducing police and fire officers.I am livid about the way poloticians do this and the people need to fight them because they work for us!
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    sasha601 wrote:
    Before MOC members support Flint PD, should we understand if Flint PD supports our cause?

    Good point!
    Today JESUS would tell me to sell my coat and buy two Springfield XD Compact 45acp's!

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    FLEMTP wrote:
    CrossPistols wrote:
    Flint had a mayor who wanted to hire more cops, but the Union had a fit, so the Mayor said fine we will make flint patrols one man cars, then the union/city counsel cried it was to dangerous. I looked at it this way... The State cops are single man cars, and so is the Genesee Co. who are located in flint.
    I remember a city counsel woman telling the audience that she saw a cop writting a ticket for an abandone car, she said that he looked scared & he shouldn't have been in that area alone. If that were the case then he should have asked for help, or stayed in his car, or maybe he should have stayed in school, or took a dish washing job. Either way Flint is a waste of time, it's corrupt, and controlled by greedy unions.
    The Good Ole Boys Club is letting Flint become as Detroit.
    I dont know if it has changed due to the budgets, but last I knew MSP paired up after dark and only ran 2 man cars during the night time hours. Genesee county unless something has changed only runs like 2 general patrol cars in genesee county, the rest are the paramedic deputies who spend most of their time taking medical calls rather than answering calls for service.. so its not that bad.

    I worked in flint as a paramedic for a little over a year. Yes, its bad there, and bad things do happen, but if an officer uses some common sense, and is 110% aware of his surroundings and calls for backup as appropriate, then one man cars are a good idea. Laying off cops in a city with crime like it is really sucks for the people of flint...and for the other officers who remain on the job.

    Unions have destroyed most jobs anymore... look at the big three.. the unions have jacked up labor and health care costs so high, the CEO of GM is more of a health insurance administrator than he is a CEO of a car company!
    The same goes for public safety.. the unions have demanded so much in pay and benefits and when the budgets get cut or crunched, dont want to concede anything or very little. With that said, i believe that those in public safety should earn a respective living wage, given the job that we do.. but we should also know when to give a little back and to compromise.

    On the flip side of that.. municipalities should realize the LAST place they need to cut is public safety funding... but many times that is the FIRST place they look

    My thoughts and prayers are with them for sure!
    Thats a crock!We have been losing health care coverage in the UAW since the late 80's,and concessions in our contracts since then too!After 30 years of pain,building trucks and cars for the customers,I take home $2300 a month and have to pay about 30% of my medical bills.When I was working it was about 10%.I am now the retired poor,living month to month.The public unions are another story.In todays paper it showed deputies pensions were determined by the last 3 years of their employment and overtime hours.25 years gives them $60 to $70 grand a year.More than when they were working.Thats twice as much as UAW retirees!The people of Flint need to fight to stop the waste of their taxes!
    Today JESUS would tell me to sell my coat and buy two Springfield XD Compact 45acp's!

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    Send them all home.



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    Ham, you get $76.00 a day for sitting on your rear. Can I ask you a question? Do you have a mortgage? If not, good for you, if you do what did you spend 30 years of union wages on?

    FLEMPT said, "Unions have destroyed most jobs anymore... look at the big three.. the unions have jacked up labor and health care costs so high, the CEO of GM is more of a health insurance administrator than he is a CEO of a car company!
    The same goes for public safety.. the unions have demanded so much in pay and benefits and when the budgets get cut or crunched, dont want to concede anything or very little. With that said, i believe that those in public safety should earn a respective living wage, given the job that we do.. but we should also know when to give a little back and to compromise."

    I agree.springerdave.

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    springerdave wrote:
    Ham, you get $76.00 a day for sitting on your rear. Can I ask you a question? Do you have a mortgage? If not, good for you, if you do what did you spend 30 years of union wages on?
    thats easy... UNION DUES LMAO!!!!!

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    Here is what Detroit is considering, maybe Flint should as well...

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-to-save-city/
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    PDinDetroit wrote:
    Here is what Detroit is considering, maybe Flint should as well...

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-to-save-city/
    The only problem with that is the relocating people. Um if your just turning it into farm & park land, why the need to relocate people who do Own, Pay Taxes, and take pride in their homes. If you reduce the population, and number of holms, you still have the same size area you have to patrol.

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    i have worked for gm for over thirty years, the last ten has been the scary-est. my wages have been cut, and frozen.my pension may not be there when i retire. my health care has had cuts, larger co pays.

    all i hear is that us union workers killed this nation. the union got started due to the fact of unfair labor practices of the auto industry, i even had a plant manager, say in a class that i had to sit in, that if it was not for the unions the big three would not exist to day, that there was no way the auto industry could have survived, because it was so corrupt.

    now if next monday, us auto workers only made $15 an hour, no benefits, do you think you would still be making the same wage you do now, no most other wages are some what based on the union auto workers wage on. do you really think the price of a new car will come down? that is not how the price of a new car is set at, it is the age and wage of the market of the car that it is marketed for, and how much the marketing firms in the big three believe that market will spend for a car. the auto industry spends more money to advertise its products (30% to 40 % of the cost of a car)then then it pays its workers (10 to 15 %)of the cost of a car), this info came from the Wall Street Journal, where did all that money come from that paid tiger woods to promote gm, Buick open and other things gm spends its money on.

    are unions all ways a good thing no! but i would hate to see how things would be in this rat hole of a plant i work in with out a union. unions have there problems there is noquestion about that


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    wkhicks wrote:
    i have worked for gm for over thirty years, the last ten has been the scary-est. my wages have been cut, and frozen.my pension may not be there when i retire. my health care has had cuts, larger co pays. (Wow now you know what goes on in the regular world)

    all i hear is that us union workers killed this nation (More like the Socialist that came up with the concepts of Unions). the union got started due to the fact of unfair labor practices of the auto industry Unfair? If I recall history, People chose to leave the fields & go to work for more money, so who were the greedy ones?) i even had a plant manager, say in a class that i had to sit in, that if it was not for the unions the big three would not exist to day, that there was no way the auto industry could have survived, because it was so corrupt. (So if the free market was left to the natural order of capitalism, the big three would have to comply to the will of the worker/customer, or fail. so basically a union was not, and is not needed)

    now if next monday, us auto workers only made $15 an hour, no benefits, do you think you would still be making the same wage you do now (Yes)
    Yes I do make the same, because after all the Auto layoffs, and Auto plant closings. & After all the lay offs and wage reductions at my shop due to MY Job performance, & MY 16 yrs of loyalty my boss realizes that the bottom line is that I produce therefor he profits all this with out a union.) Remember Unions did not raise the standard of living, they raised the cost of living. Electricity, plumbing, and technology raised the standard of living!
    no most other wages are some what based on the union auto workers wage on (No Facts to back this arbitrary remark). do you really think the price of a new car will come down? (Yes, just like everything else that have not been over inflated by bad unions) that is not how the price of a new car is set at, it is the age and wage of the market of the car that it is marketed for, and how much the marketing firms in the big three believe that market will spend for a car (Everything adds to the cost, union wages, benefits, & even Govt. Regulations). the auto industry spends more money to advertise its products (30% to 40 % of the cost of a car)then then it pays its workers (10 to 15 %)of the cost of a car)(Thats because you build the car, you don't sell it as long as you get paid what do you care what a company spends IT'S money on advertisement), this info came from the Wall Street Journal, where did all that money come from that paid tiger woods to promote gm, Buick open and other things gm spends its money on.

    are unions all ways a good thing no! but i would hate to see how things would be in this rat hole of a plant i work in (No one forced any one to take the job & remain in that rat hole))with out a union. unions have there problems there is noquestion about that (True)
    Don't take all this personal, I'm just tired of hearing how a few guys changed the world, then the rest just road the wave, but act like they too were the part of the fight. All that happened was that a Socialist group declared war on a guy or group who wanted to make a buck. The unions saw room to squeeze a few dollars off the top by Collective bargaining (Strong arming). The Elephant is being taken down by a million tiny arows til you have what we have now, Me bailing out GM, and now the unions own some one else's Company. Now the unions have become what they supposedly fighting to rid the world of...A Greedy Organization!

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    My dad, who retired from GM after 35 years was called on election day by a union rep, asking if they could count on his support for a straight democrat vote.

    He told the lady "I voted democrat for 35 years in the union because you told me to, I'm losing my pension, my health care, my retirement, probably my house next, I'm just wondering if there is one more democrat I could vote for while I am at it."

    People think the unions are bad, and that destroying them would not hurt the country, and that their standard of living will not be affected by the loss of unions.

    The fact of the matter is, when the unions lose their wage, everyone else's wage goes down based on this. Some people think, well, my company doesn't do any work with the unions, or I make a good wage because I've been loyal to the company I have been with for 16 years, yada yada. Sure, you might not lose your wage, but when you retire, your replacement's wages will be based on what the union earns, or what the american standard of living is. Which I have heard statisticly, when the union wages are gone, the standard of living in america will go down by 25% overall.

    So, tell yourself whatever you need to about how unions ruined the big three, the fact of the matter is, the 20 years of bean counter s*** cars that rolled off their line, their lack of desire to make a quality car for 20+ years, (the fact that a 1982 buick century has the same dashboard as my 1987 buick grand national), the lack of balls to experiment in design, and avoid the car market for all of the 1990's while gas prices skyrocket, and compact cars that actually get gas mileage come onto the scene, meanwhile, inviting the Japanese into our manufacturing plants, showing them what we do, and how they could do it better, and people SOMEHOW being brainwashed into because a car is ASSEMBLED in america, is somehow patriotic (idiotic) is why the big three failed.

    My father worked 90 hour weeks for 30 years to give my family a good life, he paid for it by having muscle problems, nerve problems and many other medical problems directly related to the processing of metals used in cars.

    For anyone to think the union is bad, needs to get back to what is really bad, the politics, the bean counter executives, and the people who do not buy american made products.

    Anyone who doesn't believe that unions are good, and have placed a vote for Carl Levin, or Debbie Stabinow, or Jennifer Granholm need to take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_Sit-Down_Strike and do a little research on why unions are good.

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    The history of labor unions in America helps tell the story of why we are losing the middle class. Private-sector unionization was legislated during the Depression. Union membership grew into the mid-20th century, then began a slow decline that continues today. Remember the income distribution numbers: a weak middle class in the Depression, a strong middle class in the decades following, and a weakening middle class now. The way these numbers generally track those for union activity is no coincidence.

    Unions equalize power in the market place between those who work and those who own something. Those who work are the stuff of which the middle class is made. Those who own fill the ranks of the very wealthy. When the balance of power is with labor unions, the gains from production stay with the middle class. When the balance shifts as it has today, the very wealthy take an ever-larger share from economic activity.

    As the very wealthy become even more so, they do not spend money in the way middle-class people do. After all, how many houses and cars, no matter how fine, can one have? Once people have more money than they can possibly spend on goods and services, they no longer use it in ways that stimulate the economy. Instead, they use the power their money brings to get more tax breaks, less regulation, more support for globalization, and policies that favor capital over labor. The middle class continues to weaken.

    In spite of all this, we are told not to worry, because the United States is becoming what some politicians call an "ownership society." Instead of supporting unions that bring decent wages to working people, we are advised to buy shares in the corporations that profit when wages are falling. Meanwhile, we ignore the most important aspect of our economy -- that we are a great market for goods and services.

    The trouble with all strategies that trade good jobs for cheap toasters is that they eventually erode that very market for the goods and services. A handful of hyper-wealthy individuals, along with millions of people living on the economic edge, are not the sound, stable market needed for growth. Only the middle class, with buying power widely distributed, can provide that. And that is what we are losing today.

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    zigziggityzoo wrote:
    Start a program, and at the cost of One man's salary, you can train 20 and issue them radios, vests and badges - even keep a special frequency for them.

    Then, when called, they can respond as needed.

    The program already exists...with the approval of the Dept. of Homeland Security, within the Citizen Corps, you'll find the VIP (volunteers in policing) program as well as Neighborhood Watch and CERT.


    http://citizencorps.gov/programs/


    There was, and may be, federal grant money available.

    Carry on


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