New to OC Who is right LAPD or LASD?

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I live in a part of los angeles county patroled by lasd, Their OC memo to it's departments says that you can't be within 1500ft of a school. lapd & every other department says a school safe zone is 1000ft. Who is correct?

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Sam-Dimas wrote:

I live in a part of los angeles county patroled by lasd, Their OC memo to it's departments says that you can't be within 1500ft of a school. lapd & every other department says a school safe zone is 1000ft. Who is correct?

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The California penal code, unfortunately.

Search 626.9, gun free school zone...

Basically states that possession is prohibited within 1000 feet of a school.

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I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Arnie signed a new bill which will change it to 1500 ft.later this year. Not sure exactly when. I'm sure someone more knowledgable than myself can elaborate.

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That would be something we need to know.

O.O

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I noticed that the LA sheriffs had 1500ft on their memo as well.

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JJ wrote:

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Arnie signed a new bill which will change it to 1500 ft.later this year. Not sure exactly when. I'm sure someone more knowledgable than myself can elaborate.

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The 1500 ft isn't law... YET! AB 668 was introduced last year and is making its way through the legislative process. It has been approved in the State Assembly and is in the Public Safety Commitee in the State Senate right now. It looks like it got through the assembly without and problems. (i.e. no one even voted against it)

When the bill was first introduced it only changed the 1000 ft rule to 1500 ft. Over the process it has been amended and now has some other provisions in it that make lawfull pocession of pistols not so bad, but you still wouldn't be able to open carry within the 1500 ft. Well you wouldn't be able to open carry with a firearm that is conceable. So I guess we could protest that one with open carry of other firearms

Anyways... Hopefully it might get amended again after the SCOTUS decision in June.

Also, in the text of the bill it states that it is to provide safety and security to students and teachers, so does that mean there are checkpoints 1500ft from the school on every transportation route in order to ensure our students and teachers safety? What do you think?

Also in the text it talks about criminal enhancements for illegally carrying in the school zone. If that was the case then we would be able to UOC because we wouldn't be doing it illegally, right?

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Sam-Dimas wrote:

I live in a part of los angeles county patroled by lasd, Their OC memo to it's departments says that you can't be within 1500ft of a school. lapd & every other department says a school safe zone is 1000ft. Who is correct?

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Show us the memo please! And what's lasd?

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JJ wrote:

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Arnie signed a new bill which will change it to 1500 ft.later this year. Not sure exactly when. I'm sure someone more knowledgable than myself can elaborate.

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You've gone too far! Who's Arnie??? What's the bill number?? Where's the bill now?!?Who's can really signed the new bill?

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jsebclark wrote:

Also in the text it talks about criminal enhancements for illegally carrying in the school zone. If that was the case then we would be able to UOC because we wouldn't be doing it illegally, right?

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Which part you do not understands? GUN FREE ZONE

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Ca Patriot wrote:

I noticed that the LA sheriffs had 1500ft on their memo as well.

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Please show us the memo.

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Another one

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Wc wrote:

Sam-Dimas wrote:Show us the memo please! And what's lasd?

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LA Sheriffs Dept.

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http://www.californiaopencarry.org/memos/LASD_oc_memo.pdf





Here is the memo from the LA County sheriffs dept where they say 1500 ft

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Wc wrote:

Ca Patriot wrote:

I noticed that the LA sheriffs had 1500ft on their memo as well.

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Please show us the memo.

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There are many. I suggest you do your homework. All of them are available here:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=36464

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Wc wrote:

Who's Arnie??? What's the bill number?? Where's the bill now?!?Who's can really signed the new bill?

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Arnie is the Governor of California.

Here's an old copy of the bill: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0651-0700/ab_668_bill_20090601_amended_asm_v97.html

I believe it's dead. I'm not entirely sure, but if you want to know, do some of your own work to find out and stop demanding it of others like a toddler.

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MudCamper wrote:

, do some of your own work to find out and stop demanding it of others like a toddler.

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LMAO!! :celebrate

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Asking a question to others with more knowledge is part of home work. but there seems to be a discrepancy with the la sheriffs department & others. I live over 1000ft but within 1500ft from a school so I need all the info I can get

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1500 is the "safe school zones" that create sentence enhancements for dealing drugs and other things.

The Gun Free School Zones are 1000, although there was a bill to extend that to 1500 feet, but as far as I know it didn't pass.

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Theseus wrote:

1500 is the "safe school zones" that create sentence enhancements for dealing drugs and other things.

The Gun Free School Zones are 1000, although there was a bill to extend that to 1500 feet, but as far as I know it didn't pass.

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[align=right]Issue:
INCREASE GUN-FREE ZONES[/b] (Lieu)



Description:
Increases School Gun Free Zone from 1000' to 1500' for the criminal possession of a firearm.

This bill would extend the "gun free" zone distance from 1,000 feet to 1,500 feet from the grounds of a public or private school.[/b]



Latest Info:
style="BACKGROUND: yellow"09/16/2009 - AB 668 failed to pass the legislature in 2009 but may return in 2010.[/align]

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Wc wrote:

jsebclark wrote:

Also in the text it talks about criminal enhancements for illegally carrying in the school zone. If that was the case then we would be able to UOC because we wouldn't be doing it illegally, right?

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Which part you do not understands? GUN FREE ZONE

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Thank you for your very obvious comment. Unfortunately I didn't get my point across.

Here is a little excerpt from the Legislative Analysis:

COMMENTS : According to the author, "AB 668 will expand the
boundaries of the Gun-Free School Zones from 1,000 feet to 1,500
feet in an effort to restrict the possession of firearms within
school zones and to conform the boundaries with Safe School
Zones. This bill will ensure that criminal possession or use of
a gun around schools is still applicable to the Gun-Free School
Zone Act.
"AB 668 also clarifies the exceptions to the Gun-Free School
Zone Act applies only to individuals who are in lawful
possession or who are lawfully transporting a firearm. These
clarifications ensure that individuals who illegally possess
firearms are not able to exploit the Act's exemptions thus
maintaining the Legislature's original intent.

My point is that if this is the intent of the law, then people who lawfully carry within school zone are not criminals and are part of the clarified exceptions. The problem is that the intent of the law as stated above says one thing, while the content and substance of the law says something different. For example,the actual text of the law says that NO one can carry at all, but the intent as written above states that it is to close loop holes on criminals, not law abiding citizens.