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Prophet
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kadar wrote:
Like the open carrying of rifles
kadar wrote:
Like the open carrying of rifles
Master Doug Huffman
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kadar wrote:
Not far away a scuffle for leadership is going on. One of the contestants just confessed the most bathetic irrationalism, and that he capitalizes on his customers' similar ignorance.
So we're supposed to unite behind a wannabe-would be with a gross misconception?
kadar wrote:
Really?
Not far away a scuffle for leadership is going on. One of the contestants just confessed the most bathetic irrationalism, and that he capitalizes on his customers' similar ignorance.
So we're supposed to unite behind a wannabe-would be with a gross misconception?
TFred
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It used to be said that the law-abiding citizen would affect change "within the system", using the means and mechanisms built into the government itself to bring about the desired change.
However, after the shenanigans pulled in the Virginia Senate this week, I'm not sure that those in charge of that very process of "change within the system" have the concept down.
As PVC alluded in one of his interviews yesterday, how are we supposed to push for change within the system, when those tasked with running the system circumvent that very same process to ensure their own desired outcome?
It's been a very disappointing week.
TFred
It used to be said that the law-abiding citizen would affect change "within the system", using the means and mechanisms built into the government itself to bring about the desired change.
However, after the shenanigans pulled in the Virginia Senate this week, I'm not sure that those in charge of that very process of "change within the system" have the concept down.
As PVC alluded in one of his interviews yesterday, how are we supposed to push for change within the system, when those tasked with running the system circumvent that very same process to ensure their own desired outcome?
It's been a very disappointing week.
TFred
Pace
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Fringe: Means those who advocate anything outside the system. That included the guy who is now probably going to end up with Secret Service Agents outside his door for a death threat.
Other Topics: Conversations about inherent rights do nothing in the system. I can talk all day about my libertarian viewpoints and what I believe in, but that does not help a court case, nor an encounter with the police.
People OC for a variety of reasons, some protection, some protest, some because its 120' degrees in the summer in Arizona. To preach that OC means this or that we are doing it because we want to protect ourselves against the evil regime of Obabushinton, is good and dandy, but does not address the issues at hand.
Ok Topics are obviously: "How to educate people that 2A refers to OC."
Bad Topic: I believe that 2A was created by the deity Ba'al to defend ourselves from the space invaders that will arrive in the 22nd century. I can prove this because if I take every 5th letter and then divide it by 10, I get the words "Jumping Jehosophat!"
The 2A movement, and the OC movement has worked hard on focusing on the Law, the Courts. The great thing about 2A and the Constitution folks, is that no matter what you believe, if its Ba'al or your own personal protection, it protects you. That's where we all come together, right now...
Fringe: Means those who advocate anything outside the system. That included the guy who is now probably going to end up with Secret Service Agents outside his door for a death threat.
Other Topics: Conversations about inherent rights do nothing in the system. I can talk all day about my libertarian viewpoints and what I believe in, but that does not help a court case, nor an encounter with the police.
People OC for a variety of reasons, some protection, some protest, some because its 120' degrees in the summer in Arizona. To preach that OC means this or that we are doing it because we want to protect ourselves against the evil regime of Obabushinton, is good and dandy, but does not address the issues at hand.
Ok Topics are obviously: "How to educate people that 2A refers to OC."
Bad Topic: I believe that 2A was created by the deity Ba'al to defend ourselves from the space invaders that will arrive in the 22nd century. I can prove this because if I take every 5th letter and then divide it by 10, I get the words "Jumping Jehosophat!"
The 2A movement, and the OC movement has worked hard on focusing on the Law, the Courts. The great thing about 2A and the Constitution folks, is that no matter what you believe, if its Ba'al or your own personal protection, it protects you. That's where we all come together, right now...
Pace
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I've had too many friends killed because of hatred, been to way too many soldiers funerals, had to bury police officers after 9/11 to ever want to be associated with anyone who promotes division of people.
The OC movement has grown because of our diversity. I know its sometimes hard to see past our own lives, and our own viewpoints and understand others, but I hope that this movement, showing people firearms aren't evil and bad, will help bring safety and hope to some people.
Otis McDonald 76 year old, black retired veteran living in Chicago who just wants to make sure that when he walks to the store, he isn't mugged. I can't imagine the more perfect case right now to show our diversity.
Master Doug Huffman wrote:
I've had too many friends killed because of hatred, been to way too many soldiers funerals, had to bury police officers after 9/11 to ever want to be associated with anyone who promotes division of people.
The OC movement has grown because of our diversity. I know its sometimes hard to see past our own lives, and our own viewpoints and understand others, but I hope that this movement, showing people firearms aren't evil and bad, will help bring safety and hope to some people.
Otis McDonald 76 year old, black retired veteran living in Chicago who just wants to make sure that when he walks to the store, he isn't mugged. I can't imagine the more perfect case right now to show our diversity.
Master Doug Huffman wrote:
Master Doug Huffman
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Pace wrote:
Pace wrote:
Kumbayah! You can't fight ignorance (willful firearms) with stupidity.
Pace
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I don't even know what that means, but I assume it's mean to be insulting and demeaning. Believing oneself infallible is the mark of extremists worldwide, whether they are jihadists, nazi, or OK city bombers.
I've been chased with baseball bats in Brooklyn for not being dark enough, I've had a police officer in Eastern Ohio threaten to kill me for being a "New York Jew Boy." I survived 9/11, caught the worst type of child molesters, and had to attend friends funerals where there was nothing left of their body from a roadside bomber.
Still, I manage to wake up daily, thank the Universe that I am in a place where I am able to practice my religion and get a cup of coffee while carrying a sidearm without being harassed by anyone. For the few people who come up to me and ask about it, I have seen mainly interested people who want to learn themselves and interested in learning about a variety of topics.
I am so proud that I live in a Country where a Black Man can protest carrying an AR-15 against a black president he disagrees in. And I, a libertarian who disagrees with both parties can make friends who also OC while we get a buzz from too many lattes!
My bumper sticker reads "I'll fight to protect your liberty, even as you vote to take mine away."
So feel free to insult me, attack me, because frankly, I love nothing more than anyone can get on a computer in this great Country and express his viewpoint, and that the Constitution of this great Nation gives him a right to be a complete a$$.
Master Doug Huffman wrote:
I don't even know what that means, but I assume it's mean to be insulting and demeaning. Believing oneself infallible is the mark of extremists worldwide, whether they are jihadists, nazi, or OK city bombers.
I've been chased with baseball bats in Brooklyn for not being dark enough, I've had a police officer in Eastern Ohio threaten to kill me for being a "New York Jew Boy." I survived 9/11, caught the worst type of child molesters, and had to attend friends funerals where there was nothing left of their body from a roadside bomber.
Still, I manage to wake up daily, thank the Universe that I am in a place where I am able to practice my religion and get a cup of coffee while carrying a sidearm without being harassed by anyone. For the few people who come up to me and ask about it, I have seen mainly interested people who want to learn themselves and interested in learning about a variety of topics.
I am so proud that I live in a Country where a Black Man can protest carrying an AR-15 against a black president he disagrees in. And I, a libertarian who disagrees with both parties can make friends who also OC while we get a buzz from too many lattes!
My bumper sticker reads "I'll fight to protect your liberty, even as you vote to take mine away."
So feel free to insult me, attack me, because frankly, I love nothing more than anyone can get on a computer in this great Country and express his viewpoint, and that the Constitution of this great Nation gives him a right to be a complete a$$.
Master Doug Huffman wrote:
Thundar
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Prophet wrote:
Prophet wrote:
You too Prophet...:quirky
M
McX
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we won?! damn that was quick, they just finished arguements the other day! i gotta start coming to these employee meetings earlier!
we won?! damn that was quick, they just finished arguements the other day! i gotta start coming to these employee meetings earlier!
wrightme
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Thank you.
jpierce wrote:
Thank you.
jpierce wrote:
AZkopper
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jpierce wrote:
Loud and clear!
jpierce wrote:
Loud and clear!
Citizen
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Pace wrote:
Add Mohandas Ghandi. Jonathan Swift. Pete Zenger. William Penn.
Oh, and those boys in Philadelphia--Tom Jefferson, John Hancock and 52 others.
Don't forget the evening Boston Harbor was filled with dharjeeling and earl grey.
What was that quote a while back? "Hell, this country was founded by religious nuts with guns."
Fringers, one and all.
Pace wrote:
Yeah. Like that Indian prince dude, Gutauma Bhudda. And that mouthy Nazarene that Pilotordered tacked up.
Add Mohandas Ghandi. Jonathan Swift. Pete Zenger. William Penn.
Oh, and those boys in Philadelphia--Tom Jefferson, John Hancock and 52 others.
Don't forget the evening Boston Harbor was filled with dharjeeling and earl grey.
What was that quote a while back? "Hell, this country was founded by religious nuts with guns."
Fringers, one and all.
GLOCK21GB
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John, you make the rules & I will follow them, no problem , not saying that I agree with some of them, but ...I can play well with others most of the time.
Although one thing that just cracks me up..is you really believe this nonsense...
The Republic is strong, ( You must not be watching the news as of lately, like the last year or so ) the Constitution is sound ( Ummm, LOL sure it is:uhoh: ask the people that survived Katrina that one, the ones that got their guns taken away , after being beaten up by the Gobernemnt agents because they wanted to Open Carry in their homes ) and we should be happy today while planning for an even better tomorrow ( better tomorrow ? you mean the one that our great , great grand kinds will be working for free to pay off Obama's Multi Zillion dollar spending spree ?, that tomorrow ? )
:lol:
John, you make the rules & I will follow them, no problem , not saying that I agree with some of them, but ...I can play well with others most of the time.
Although one thing that just cracks me up..is you really believe this nonsense...
The Republic is strong, ( You must not be watching the news as of lately, like the last year or so ) the Constitution is sound ( Ummm, LOL sure it is:uhoh: ask the people that survived Katrina that one, the ones that got their guns taken away , after being beaten up by the Gobernemnt agents because they wanted to Open Carry in their homes ) and we should be happy today while planning for an even better tomorrow ( better tomorrow ? you mean the one that our great , great grand kinds will be working for free to pay off Obama's Multi Zillion dollar spending spree ?, that tomorrow ? )
:lol:
tekshogun
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Glock34 wrote:
Mommy, what's a grand kind? :lol:
Glock34 wrote:
Mommy, what's a grand kind? :lol:
Pace
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Glock34 wrote:
Deleted at request.
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Pace
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Which part of that this forum is about OpenCarry did people not understand?
I agree with you 100%, but this is not forum for things outside of OpenCarry.
I'm a Libertarian Buddhist, you don't think I have my own opinions regarding the system, and the government for the last 75 years? I want to rant daily about civil rights, other issues on this forum, about the problems with religious intrusion into to government, gender equality, etc.. When I first joined last year, I did that, and many people asked me to stop, and focus on topic. I've personally had to catch myself sometimes when I start wandering off, and ask that people do the same. We are here for one reason, to promote legal open carry of side arms, that's it.
You want to make another forum and call it "I-have-an-ar15-because-aliens-are-going-to-kidnap-me.com" feel free.
The issue is not whether certain points are valid (death threats are not welcome) but that people are using this to push viewpoints and political agenda. I've caught some people associated with white-supremacist movements who were long time members using this forum to recruit new members.
Citizen wrote:
Which part of that this forum is about OpenCarry did people not understand?
I agree with you 100%, but this is not forum for things outside of OpenCarry.
I'm a Libertarian Buddhist, you don't think I have my own opinions regarding the system, and the government for the last 75 years? I want to rant daily about civil rights, other issues on this forum, about the problems with religious intrusion into to government, gender equality, etc.. When I first joined last year, I did that, and many people asked me to stop, and focus on topic. I've personally had to catch myself sometimes when I start wandering off, and ask that people do the same. We are here for one reason, to promote legal open carry of side arms, that's it.
You want to make another forum and call it "I-have-an-ar15-because-aliens-are-going-to-kidnap-me.com" feel free.
The issue is not whether certain points are valid (death threats are not welcome) but that people are using this to push viewpoints and political agenda. I've caught some people associated with white-supremacist movements who were long time members using this forum to recruit new members.
Citizen wrote:
GLOCK21GB
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Pace wrote:
OK, When did I make an ILLEGAL death threat against the President ?
Saying that you are waiting for some Horrific event to befall the President , IS NOT MAKING A DEATH THREAT. I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING TO CARRY OUT ANY ACTION AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.
Pace, what you just did was Slander / make a false accusation against me, You said that, I made a death threat against the president, which I NEVER did. John I want a Public Apology from Pace & then I want him KICKED off this forum for making a false statement that could have serious ramifications.
Pace wrote:
OK, When did I make an ILLEGAL death threat against the President ?
Saying that you are waiting for some Horrific event to befall the President , IS NOT MAKING A DEATH THREAT. I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING TO CARRY OUT ANY ACTION AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.
Pace, what you just did was Slander / make a false accusation against me, You said that, I made a death threat against the president, which I NEVER did. John I want a Public Apology from Pace & then I want him KICKED off this forum for making a false statement that could have serious ramifications.
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Just my take -
Its not about stifling, restricting, limiting or banning.
It IS about staying on track to enhance the effectiveness of OCDO.
Inevitably that will require some moderation.
I can live with that.
Yata hey
Just my take -
Its not about stifling, restricting, limiting or banning.
It IS about staying on track to enhance the effectiveness of OCDO.
Inevitably that will require some moderation.
I can live with that.
Yata hey
wrightme
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I find it ironic that some of the issues behind this topic are showing IN this topic......
I find it ironic that some of the issues behind this topic are showing IN this topic......