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    Fhttp://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...ead.php?t=9160

    Forum I ran across taking about Starbucks and the OC movement.

    SNIP: “The "open carry" movement, in which gun owners carry unconcealed handguns as they go about their everyday business, is loosely organized”




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    As opposed to, say, the Democrats?

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    That's like saying that the Public Librarys of the country are "loosely organized" for pushing 1A rights...

    Just because small local groups all over the country are working toward similar goals, and have occasional intercommunication does NOT indicate that they are "organized" at all--loosely or otherwise.

    The statement made on that other forum is riduculous and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the way grassroots activism works, and shows an underlying lack of concern for individual freedoms and Constitutional rule of law.
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    Dreamer wrote:
    The statement made on that other forum is riduculous and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the way grassroots activism works, and shows an underlying lack of concern for individual freedoms and Constitutional rule of law.
    Well said.

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    The post author in infowatch wasn't saying that, he was quoting anarticle in the Wall Street Jorunal. My fault I did'nt makethat clear at first.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB2000...593489048.html


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    jbone wrote:
    Fhttp://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...ead.php?t=9160

    Forum I ran across taking about Starbucks and the OC movement.

    SNIP: “The "open carry" movement, in which gun owners carry unconcealed handguns as they go about their everyday business, is loosely organized”



    I'd agree with the assessment that we are loosely organized. There isn't an overarching organizing body that steers us, but instead a loose confederation that is bound only by a shared ideal. We all participate in the movement in our own way and at the time of our choosing. OCDO really serves as a resource for like minded individuals to contact each other and as an information clearing house.

    It is one of the strengths of the movement. We don't have or need a roster of members to call upon. Many open carriers will never visit OCDO and I would venture a guess that most will never pay dues to any organization to advocate for them. I for one, would stop associating with any group or movement that made a concerted effort to steer my exercise of civil liberties.

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    HankT wrote:
    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    "...according to opencarry.org, which is a loosely organized Web forum...."

    WTH is that supposed to mean?
    Not much formal organization, such as rules/regs/charter/hierarchy/membership standards/behavioral rules/dogma/performance standards-measurement/etc.

    The term is fine. It's not necessarily bad.

    "Loosely organized" is a perfectly good entity structure. Depends on the mission/goals/environment/etc.
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=39447

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    As much arguing and debate that goes on in the forum, loosely is too tight a word

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    Pagan wrote:
    As much arguing and debate that goes on in the forum, loosely is too tight a word
    That's because we respect our 1st amendment also. :P
    The U.S. is supposed to be a loosely organization of independent states.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    :PThe U.S. is supposed to be a loosely organization of independent states.
    The U.S. is supposed to be an organization of sovereign independent states.

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    Pagan wrote:
    As much arguing and debate that goes on in the forum, loosely is too tight a word
    We could always elminate all argument, debate and discussion on the forum:



    But, I hope not...

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    I too caught that wording in the Wall Street Journal article when it came out, I laughed on the inside and began thinking about all of the ORGANIZED groups that operate on this site. I would hardly say loosely organized unless you want to refer to the OC groups across interstate lines, sure, but intra-state, there are cohesive groups. They should have either expounded on the loose organization or not have used it at all.

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    The 13 colonies started off as loosely organized too ...
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Pagan wrote:
    As much arguing and debate that goes on in the forum, loosely is too tight a word
    +1 I really don't see much organization in OCDO, maybe John or Mike can help. :celebrate

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    These forums are sorta like a crackerbarrel at a general store. But a lot of good info and ideas get swapped around a cracker barrel. We have people here from GOA and VCDL, which are very organized, indeed; and their efforts benefit from the exchange. We are "loose" like an AK is "loose"in machine tolerance. And like an AK we keep chattering no matter what, and that's a good thing.

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    Loosely organized is worlds better then rag tag band, or even unorganized.

    Too much leadership is never a good thing

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    My point is that its better to fall under some "loosely organized" then to be all willy nilly.



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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Think small, stay small.
    There ARE advantages to organizing nationally.
    Like what?

    So far, OCDO et al > NRA.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Think small, stay small.
    There ARE advantages to organizing nationally.
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    I hope you're employed and not an entrepreneur.
    Economies of scale are not universal in their existence nor their extent.

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    marshaul wrote:
    So far, OCDO et al > NRA.
    Izzat a relation operator, alii 'greater than' NRA?

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    It is, although in common parlance the term is "pwns", which is merely equivalent to "is greater than".

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    jbone wrote:
    Fhttp://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...ead.php?t=9160

    Forum I ran across taking about Starbucks and the OC movement.

    SNIP: “The "open carry" movement, in which gun owners carry unconcealed handguns as they go about their everyday business, is loosely organized”
    Seems like an accurate assessment to me.

    Did anyone happen to read this post?
    http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...p;postcount=15
    Trooper says, "Excuse me, sir, but I see you've got a pistol there. Are you going in the store?" I said yes. He says, "Do you have a holster for it?" Well, yes. "Sir, would you mind carrying it with you while you're in the store? Here in AZ, we'd prefer you carry a handgun, rather than try to lock it up."

    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Loosely organized?

    I disagree. I don't think we are that well configured.
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    Dreamer wrote:
    That's like saying that the Public Librarys of the country are "loosely organized" for pushing 1A rights...

    Just because small local groups all over the country are working toward similar goals, and have occasional intercommunication does NOT indicate that they are "organized" at all--loosely or otherwise.

    The statement made on that other forum is riduculous and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the way grassroots activism works, and shows an underlying lack of concern for individual freedoms and Constitutional rule of law.
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