Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: BATFE and EFS # 13 - Tell your congressman "Hell No!"

  1. #1
    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,961

    Post imported post

    Emergency Support Function #13


    ATF is also seeking additional resources to support our responsibilities under the National Response Framework (NRF), which is the Federal strategy for providing a unified national response to natural disasters and acts of terrorism. The NRF provides for 15 “emergency support functions” (ESFs), including ESF #13, which covers public safety and security. More specifically, the mission of ESF #13 is to assist Federal, State, local, tribal and territorial law enforcement agencies when they are overwhelmed by a disaster or terrorist attack. The Department of Justice has appointed ATF as the lead coordinating agency for ESF #13.

    As such, ATF has been tasked with managing day-to-day ESF #13 operations that involve planning and coordinating at the national, State and local level in preparation for emergencies. For example, on a daily basis ATF serves as liaison between the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the governors’ offices, State public safety officials and all levels of law enforcement. We also participate in numerous planning sessions and exercises. In addition, we have developed and maintain a “concept of operations” plan and provide information to States on Federal law enforcement resources available during times of emergencies.

    When a national emergency occurs, ESF #13 is activated and ATF deploys to the affected area within six hours of notification. On scene, ATF partners with State law enforcement to evaluate the situation in terms of public safety. We also act as a clearing house to match available Federal law enforcement resources with needs of the requesting jurisdictions and work to ensure that those resources are deployed as quickly as possible. While deployed, ESF #13 resources are typically under the administrative and operational control of the law enforcement agency that requested their assistance; however, at the request of the agency we will provide safety and security for responding ESF resources, as well as administrative support. ESF #13 activations have included the 2007 California wildfires, hurricanes Humberto, Dean and Flossie in 2007, hurricanes Bertha, Dolly, Ike and Gustav in 2008, the 2009 Presidential inauguration and the 2009 Red River Floods. ESF #13 personnel have also been involved with planning security for special events such as Super Bowls.

    ATF has been responsible for the coordination of ESF #13 for approximately five years. During that time, ATF has funded these efforts from our base budget; we have received no dedicated funds. As ESF #13 has matured and the level of responsibility has increased, we have found that diverting money from our core budget has adversely affected ATF’s other programs. Moreover, the lack of resources, manpower, equipment and training dedicated to ESF #13 hinders our ability to properly develop a foundation for the program. Additional resources would ensure ATF’s ability to immediately provide the American public with the caliber of law enforcement preparation and response expected from the Department of Justice and the Federal government in a time of crisis.

    Our FY 2011 request for ESF #13 is $1,228,000, seven positions and three FTE. That includes $1,078,000 for personnel, $34,000 to fund two national training sessions per year, and $116,000 for travel expenses. The personnel are responsible for developing a national logistics program, coordinating logistics during emergencies, coordinating training at the national and field levels, and maintaining computers in the ESF #13 National Coordination Center.


    Our http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/20...priations.html


    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitableand let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come . PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

  2. #2
    Regular Member Dreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Grennsboro NC
    Posts
    5,358

    Post imported post

    It's not a conspiracy when they are doing it in plain sight and publishing their plans in the public forum of the Internet.
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggressionand this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Provo, Utah, USA
    Posts
    1,076

    Post imported post

    Dreamer wrote:
    It's not a conspiracy when they are doing it in plain sight and publishing their plans in the public forum of the Internet.
    It is still a conspiracy, they just think that nothing can stop them now so there is no need to hide what they are doing. ("Tragedy & Hope")

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Ohio, USA
    Posts
    1,558

    Post imported post

    From what i personally seen the gooberment do during Katrina, they will abuse their power and go after the citizens again. If they are allowed even more power we will be seeing another stand off with citizen refusing to give up their rights.
    -I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you screw with me, I'll kill you all.
    -Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.
    Marine General James Mattis,

  5. #5
    Regular Member rodbender's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Navasota, Texas, USA
    Posts
    2,524

    Post imported post

    NO COMMENT
    The thing about common sense is....it ain't too common.
    Will Rogers

  6. #6
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Stafford, VA, , Afghanistan
    Posts
    349

    Post imported post

    "ATF deploys to the affected area within six hours of notification. On scene, ATF partners with State law enforcement to evaluate the situation in terms of public safety."

    This seems to be outside of their charter.....foul.

  7. #7
    Regular Member Deanimator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Rocky River, OH, U.S.A.
    Posts
    2,086

    Post imported post

    SIGguy229 wrote:
    "ATF deploys to the affected area within six hours of notification. On scene, ATF partners with State law enforcement to evaluate the situation in terms of public safety."

    This seems to be outside of their charter.....foul.
    All the BATFE ever does is DIMINISH public safety.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

  8. #8
    Regular Member okboomer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Oklahoma, USA
    Posts
    1,164

    Post imported post

    Actually, my state passed a law that makes it illegal for anyone to try to disarm the citizenry during a declared state of emergency, (which then invokes posse commitas?) This was done in the wake of the illegal gun grabs during Katrina.


    cheers - okboomer
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Lead, follow, or get out of the way

    Exercising my 2A Rights does NOT make me a CRIMINAL! Infringing on the exercise of those rights makes YOU one!

  9. #9
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Las Vegas, NV
    Posts
    1,140

    Post imported post

    Eh, maybe this isn't nefarious but just a way to make sure in the next Katrina we don't leave citizens using houses for boats. Y'know?

    I've been a FEMA responder, never had them ask me to disarm anyone

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Kenai Pensula, Alaska, USA
    Posts
    57

    Post imported post

    Mine also passed a law that authorities couldnt take our guns in a state of emergency.

  11. #11
    Campaign Veteran deepdiver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Southeast, Missouri, USA
    Posts
    5,974

    Post imported post

    Missouri also has such a law also passed in light of what happened in NOLA following Katrina. However, the BATFE is the one agency I would not be surprised to see flagrantly violate that state law claiming some federal precedence to steal, er, confiscate your personal self-defense items.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Shenandoah Valley, Virginia
    Posts
    3,806

    Post imported post

    Does anyone know if VA did this? I fail at teh Google tonight.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Las Vegas, NV, ,
    Posts
    115

    Post imported post

    okboomer wrote:
    Actually, my state passed a law that makes it* illegal for anyone to try to disarm the citizenry during a declared state of emergency, (which then invokes posse commitas?) This was done in the wake of the illegal gun grabs during Katrina.

    *
    Do you mean posse comitatus? I googled posse commitas with no luck.

  14. #14
    Campaign Veteran GLOCK21GB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Green Bay, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    4,348

    Post imported post

    deepdiver wrote:
    Missouri also has such a law also passed in light of what happened in NOLA following Katrina. However, the BATFE is the one agency I would not be surprised to see flagrantly violate that state law claiming some federal precedence to steal, er, confiscate your personal self-defense items.
    Wisconsin did the same thing & passed a similar law, like all laws it's just paper, which is useless , if no one is enforcing it .... once a National emergency is declared, the President will just say, DO IT........I WILL TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY. & they walk right through the Law.....in the name of National security, then here comes the BATFE to Coordinate security on the ground......lol, you mean coordinate weapons confiscations on the Ground. I would assume, this is when the RESET begins & the people defend their rights & fight those who attempt the ILLEGAL confiscations.... IT would take just a matter of hours, for the news to travel around the City that this is taking place...then Law Enforcement loses the concept of surprise as the cat is out of the bag on what they had intended to do, then they have to roll in the Military........Which outrages the people even more, Martial law gets declared, Dusk till Dawn curfews, etc, etc......

    There are a few hundred million armed American Gun owners, the Military, Feds & local LE that number about 2 million are hopelessly out numbered and out gunned. Plus, with so many Hundreds of thousands of troops deployed through out the world, there is not much of a military here in American to stop it.


    THINGS GET REALLY UGLY NOW..... can we say Civil War / Revolution...
    http://youtu.be/xWgVGu3OR4U AACFI, Wisconsin / Minnesota Carry Certified. Action Pistol & Advanced Action pistol concepts + Urban Carbine course. When the entitlement Zombies begin looting, pillaging, raping, burning & killing..remember HEAD SHOTS it's the only way to kill a Zombie. Stockpile food & water now.

    Please support your local,county, state & Federal Law enforcement agencies, right ???

  15. #15
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Ohio, USA
    Posts
    1,558

    Post imported post

    Glock34 wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    Missouri also has such a law also passed in light of what happened in NOLA following Katrina. However, the BATFE is the one agency I would not be surprised to see flagrantly violate that state law claiming some federal precedence to steal, er, confiscate your personal self-defense items.
    Wisconsin did the same thing & passed a similar law, like all laws it's just paper, which is useless , if no one is enforcing it .... once a National emergency is declared, the President will just say, DO IT........I WILL TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY. & they walk right through the Law.....in the name of National security, then here comes the BATFE to Coordinate security on the ground......lol, you mean coordinate weapons confiscations on the Ground. I would assume, this is when the RESET begins & the people defend their rights & fight those who attempt the ILLEGAL confiscations.... IT would take just a matter of hours, for the news to travel around the City that this is taking place...then Law Enforcement loses the concept of surprise as the cat is out of the bag on what they had intended to do, then they have to roll in the Military........Which outrages the people even more, Martial law gets declared, Dusk till Dawn curfews, etc, etc......

    There are a few hundred million armed American Gun owners, the Military, Feds & local LE that number about 2 million are hopelessly out numbered and out gunned. Plus, with so many Hundreds of thousands of troops deployed through out the world, there is not much of a military here in American to stop it.


    THINGS GET REALLY UGLY NOW..... can we say Civil War / Revolution...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch#!playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos= 7slNE7ckAjI&v=8oMrf6Dq7UA

    Wish we had this ability.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/illumina.../0/qaE-OQtJkes
    -I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you screw with me, I'll kill you all.
    -Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.
    Marine General James Mattis,

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •