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    I've decided to do a little index-card sized "mini broadside" for one of my classes. I'm going to print it letterpress, in 2 colors. It is printed on front and back.

    I think the instructor will like it (he's pro-2A) but this might be one of those things that could get me kicked out if I stand in the "quad" handing them out to other students...

    What do y'all think?...


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    That does it, fella!

    How dare you have an unapproved thought? It's off to the re-education camp for you.

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    You misspelled Christians.

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    Normally I'm not one of the most politically correct people, but I would suggest that you change "gays" to homosexuals, and "blacks" to African Americans, simply to keep people from focusing on that and ignoring the content.


    it is my experience that given small things like that to fuss over, many people will use that as an excuse to ignore the point you're trying to make



    I'm gonna go take about 15 showers, I feel dirty now.

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    Theguy wrote:
    Normally I'm not one of the most politically correct people, but I would suggest that you change "gays" to homosexuals, and "blacks" to African Americans, simply to keep people from focusing on that and ignoring the content.


    it is my experience that given small things like that to fuss over, many people will use that as an excuse to ignore the point you're trying to make



    I'm gonna go take about 15 showers, I feel dirty now.
    Well, I'm not sure I agree with you. Many of the blacks that I know do NOT wish to be called african-american as they are not dual citizens, they are black americans!
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    I like it and you could also add to your list Veterans, for gays I would say Homosexuals like someone suggested, for blacks -- use African Americans only because that is the ethnic term used on alot of gov't forms, so it is more politically correct. (I am not for PO, I think it has derailed us from true issues, but for this case, it would help more than hinder).

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    If any public university kicks you out for distributing this, you have a donation to your fund to sue them.

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    OK, I'll take the PC advice to heart, and change some of the words I used.

    However, I don't think the term "African Americans" really applies to this card, because I don't think there were many "African Americans" in Castro's Cuba, Hitler's Germany, Amin's Uganda, or Kim Jong Il's North Korea...

    So what is the PC term for people of African decent who DON'T live in the USA?...

    Should I use "People of African Decent" instead?

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    I did a search for a PC term for Non American people of african descent and this link had in the comments some suggestions.

    http://www.fluther.com/disc/17004/wh...person-not-in/


    I know in Germany they called themselves black, but I dont know in other countries.

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    Political Correctness is for mindless sheep.

    I would prefer homosexual over gay just because I am disgusted by the continued perversion of our language.


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    I agree that PC is for mindless sheep but he plans to hand out those little cards and they will jump anything that they find offensive and completely miss the message he is trying to point out. So in this case, PC is the way to cut the "wah wah you hate my group of people with your offensive term" crap and hopefully a few of them will walk away with the message that gun control is what dictators want to keep their people prisoners.

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    Archsgurl wrote:
    I agree that PC is for mindless sheep but he plans to hand out those little cards and they will jump anything that they find offensive and completely miss the message he is trying to point out. So in this case, PC is the way to cut the "wah wah you hate my group of people with your offensive term" crap and hopefully a few of them will walk away with the message that gun control is what dictators want to keep their people prisoners.
    +1

    this is the point I was trying to make


    I still feel ill over being "the voice of political correctness" in this discussion

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    MatieA wrote:
    Theguy wrote:
    Normally I'm not one of the most politically correct people, but I would suggest that you change "gays" to homosexuals, and "blacks" to African Americans, simply to keep people from focusing on that and ignoring the content.


    it is my experience that given small things like that to fuss over, many people will use that as an excuse to ignore the point you're trying to make



    I'm gonna go take about 15 showers, I feel dirty now.
    Well, I'm not sure I agree with you. Many of the blacks that I know do NOT wish to be called african-american as they are not dual citizens, they are black americans!
    Yep. Call someone from Jamaica an "African American" and see what they say about it.

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    Diesel-n-Lead wrote:
    MatieA wrote:
    Theguy wrote:
    Normally I'm not one of the most politically correct people, but I would suggest that you change "gays" to homosexuals, and "blacks" to African Americans, simply to keep people from focusing on that and ignoring the content.


    it is my experience that given small things like that to fuss over, many people will use that as an excuse to ignore the point you're trying to make



    I'm gonna go take about 15 showers, I feel dirty now.
    Well, I'm not sure I agree with you. Many of the blacks that I know do NOT wish to be called african-american as they are not dual citizens, they are black americans!
    Yep. Call someone from Jamaica an "African American" and see what they say about it.
    thank you for illustrating my point so effectively, this is exactly what I was hoping to prevent with the OP, just taken to the opposite end of the spectrum, you are getting worked up over terminology, and (appear to be) ignoring the content of the post. This is exactly the sort of thing that could happen if Dreamer had presented the project as-is

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    Theguy wrote:
    Diesel-n-Lead wrote:
    MatieA wrote:
    Theguy wrote:
    Normally I'm not one of the most politically correct people, but I would suggest that you change "gays" to homosexuals, and "blacks" to African Americans, simply to keep people from focusing on that and ignoring the content.


    it is my experience that given small things like that to fuss over, many people will use that as an excuse to ignore the point you're trying to make



    I'm gonna go take about 15 showers, I feel dirty now.
    Well, I'm not sure I agree with you. Many of the blacks that I know do NOT wish to be called african-american as they are not dual citizens, they are black americans!
    Yep. Call someone from Jamaica an "African American" and see what they say about it.
    thank you for illustrating my point so effectively, this is exactly what I was hoping to prevent with the OP, just taken to the opposite end of the spectrum, you are getting worked up over terminology, and (appear to be) ignoring the content of the post. This is exactly the sort of thing that could happen if Dreamer had presented the project as-is
    The "Point of the original post" was covered amply by others: 1.) Great document, 2.) If it gets you kicked out, sue them. I was merely echoing agreement to a rather small sub-point of the discussion. "Yep" is a term of casual agreement, as opposed to "Hell Yeah!" or "Damn Straight!" If you'd like to get me "worked up" I can give you a list of topics which really torque my lug nuts. Probably not appropriate for this board though.

    To stay on topic, I applaud the dissemination of pro-2A, hell pro-Bill Of Rights for that matter, philosophies in universities.

    "The philosophy of the classroom today will be the philosophy of government tomorrow" - Abraham Lincoln

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    Diesel-n-Lead wrote:
    Theguy wrote:
    Diesel-n-Lead wrote:
    MatieA wrote:
    Theguy wrote:
    Normally I'm not one of the most politically correct people, but I would suggest that you change "gays" to homosexuals, and "blacks" to African Americans, simply to keep people from focusing on that and ignoring the content.


    it is my experience that given small things like that to fuss over, many people will use that as an excuse to ignore the point you're trying to make



    I'm gonna go take about 15 showers, I feel dirty now.
    Well, I'm not sure I agree with you. Many of the blacks that I know do NOT wish to be called african-american as they are not dual citizens, they are black americans!
    Yep. Call someone from Jamaica an "African American" and see what they say about it.
    thank you for illustrating my point so effectively, this is exactly what I was hoping to prevent with the OP, just taken to the opposite end of the spectrum, you are getting worked up over terminology, and (appear to be) ignoring the content of the post. This is exactly the sort of thing that could happen if Dreamer had presented the project as-is
    The "Point of the original post" was covered amply by others: 1.) Great document, 2.) If it gets you kicked out, sue them. I was merely echoing agreement to a rather small sub-point of the discussion. "Yep" is a term of casual agreement, as opposed to "Hell Yeah!" or "Damn Straight!" If you'd like to get me "worked up" I can give you a list of topics which really torque my lug nuts. Probably not appropriate for this board though.

    To stay on topic, I applaud the dissemination of pro-2A, hell pro-Bill Of Rights for that matter, philosophies in universities.

    "The philosophy of the classroom today will be the philosophy of government tomorrow" - Abraham Lincoln
    I apologize if you took offense, I'm kinda sleep deprived right now

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    Theguy wrote:
    Diesel-n-Lead wrote:
    Theguy wrote:
    Diesel-n-Lead wrote:
    MatieA wrote:
    Theguy wrote:
    Normally I'm not one of the most politically correct people, but I would suggest that you change "gays" to homosexuals, and "blacks" to African Americans, simply to keep people from focusing on that and ignoring the content.


    it is my experience that given small things like that to fuss over, many people will use that as an excuse to ignore the point you're trying to make



    I'm gonna go take about 15 showers, I feel dirty now.
    Well, I'm not sure I agree with you. Many of the blacks that I know do NOT wish to be called african-american as they are not dual citizens, they are black americans!
    Yep. Call someone from Jamaica an "African American" and see what they say about it.
    thank you for illustrating my point so effectively, this is exactly what I was hoping to prevent with the OP, just taken to the opposite end of the spectrum, you are getting worked up over terminology, and (appear to be) ignoring the content of the post. This is exactly the sort of thing that could happen if Dreamer had presented the project as-is
    The "Point of the original post" was covered amply by others: 1.) Great document, 2.) If it gets you kicked out, sue them. I was merely echoing agreement to a rather small sub-point of the discussion. "Yep" is a term of casual agreement, as opposed to "Hell Yeah!" or "Damn Straight!" If you'd like to get me "worked up" I can give you a list of topics which really torque my lug nuts. Probably not appropriate for this board though.

    To stay on topic, I applaud the dissemination of pro-2A, hell pro-Bill Of Rights for that matter, philosophies in universities.

    "The philosophy of the classroom today will be the philosophy of government tomorrow" - Abraham Lincoln
    I apologize if you took offense, I'm kinda sleep deprived right now
    No worries. The only people who offend me are the ones who would try to disarm me. Love the HAL9000 icon BTW.

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    You know, the funny thing is, if I do get any flack for passing these cards around, it probably won't be for their pro-2A message. My university, like MOST universities, does not recognize the validity of ANY of the Bill of Rights articles on campus. Passsing these out, outside the bounds of an "approved activity" or in any place that is outside of the "approved Commons" is technically a violation of school policiy...

    I don't understand how State schools can get away with these policies. They are NOT private property. They receive State and Federal funding, are regulated by the State and the Feds, and as such, SHOULD be bound to the same level of Constitutionality in their policies as any other "Public institution".

    But for some reason, the Universities of our Nation are for all intents and purposes, "Constitutional Rights Free Zones", where neither the 1A, 2A, 4A, 7A or 8A are recognized in any meaningful manner...

    This project isn't really as much about the 2A as it is about the 1A. The 2A subject matter is really just "icing on the cake."

    Since I'm actually printing it on a letterpress, and the images will be OBVIOUSLY printed on a press (not photocopied or printed from a computer), I think I have a VERY solid "Freedom of the Press" stand.

    Hopefully, it will cause "buzz" among the students, but won't really show up on the administration's radar. Art students get a fair amount of leeway when it comes to printed materials, and being a Graphic Design MFA candidate with a focus on Printmaking means that ALL my work is going to ultimately have 1A implications.

    I may not actually hand them out to peoplem but rather post them up on the "public boards" around campus. I think that more people would actually see them that way, and they might cause more of a stir that way. The people who like them (or hate them) will pull them down and keep them after a few days anyway.

    So this is really an experiment in the powers of the Free Press, public reactions to art, and on some level, guerilla PR. It's sort of a form of "disposable graffiti". The pro-2A message is really secondary to the experiment in meme-manipulation and the "democratization of art".

    If I get people asking to go to the range with me on the weekends from this, I'll be thrilled. If I get people threatening me because they don't like it, I'll be even more thrilled. If it generates an anti-2A demonstration or other organized reaction, I'll be ecstatic, because this is just the first volley in a whole series of similar projects I'm planning, and to be honest, this one is outright TAME compared to some of the ideas I'm working on.

    Words, discussion, statistics and reports are all fine and well, but if you REALLY want to get people's attention, you need to appeal to their aesthetic sensibilites. I believe that art is the most powerful tool for social change--even more powerful than speech, literature, or journalism. This project is sort of a "proof of concept" for what may end up being my Thesis, if it is successful. And I am considering EITHER reaction--Pro or Con--to be a success if it is public, loud, and passionate.

    BTW, I've uploaded the updated pics, in the OP...
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    Please let me know when you are going to post these on campus. I am in Greenville regularly, and I would love to follow in the background and see what the reactions are from the ECU students when they go up.

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    It won't be for a few weeks. I've already got one project on the drying racks, and I'm working on another one before I do this one. But I will keep you updated.

    I'll probably keep a stack for myself, to hand out at OC get-togethers, and to stick up on bulletin boards in MD on my occasional visits there too...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    Dreamer wrote:
    OK, I'll take the PC advice to heart, and change some of the words I used.

    However, I don't think the term "African Americans" really applies to this card, because I don't think there were many "African Americans" in Castro's Cuba, Hitler's Germany, Amin's Uganda, or Kim Jong Il's North Korea...

    So what is the PC term for people of African decent who DON'T live in the USA?...

    Should I use "People of African Decent" instead?
    "Thinking globally", especially since the front shows despots of the world, I would think "People of Color" would be the more common term worldwide...



    It is how the British designated "colonials" who they wished to deprive of the means of self-defense. It was also the term used during apartheid in S. Africa as I remember.

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    Psst, it should be "descent", not "decent"...

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    Oops... Doooh...

    I may be a good designer and printer, but I'll admit, I'm NOT the world's best proofreader. Thanks...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    Yeah, and universities used to be the forefront of free speech and defender of the Bill of Rights.

    It used to be the goal of liberals to loosen the restrictions on the Bill of Rights (circa 1950-60s) but somewhere along the way, they got lost in socialistic goals and began to be lead around by the nose by political correctness.

    How the wheel of time has turned.
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