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    I suppose it depends on how they rate things, but I would say our unlicensed OC puts us ahead of a few of those states. 12 handguns a year while annoying and an infringement is a modest gun control measure compared to absolute bans on public OC like in Texas and Florida.

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    Can't wait to see how we rank after July 1, 2010

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    WTF are they smoking?

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    Bulldog1967 wrote:
    WTF are they smoking?
    While I was utterly disgusted going to the Brady Bunch web site, I did it anyway. The reason Virginia scores higher (8 points) than many other states has to do with the state regulation and licensing of DEALERS absent in most free states. I suspect that in Virginia this is more a revenue issue than anything else. Another 3 points is awarded for the silly one-gun-a-month law. If you take those away Virginia is on par with the bulk of other free states.

    Unfortunately, the score isn't likely to change after July 1. Take a look for yourself at the scoring.

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard/VA/

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    I would put NJ in front of CA, only because in CA you can actually carry a gun in public. In NJ, you can never ever carry a gun in public and this includes your own property in some areas, given if it is visible from public view. Odd though, because the criminals that robbed my apt in NJ somehow managed to carry a gun in public...

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    Juvenile Handgun Purchases (Maximum 2 Points)
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    Virginia Points *
    * Must be 21
    Oh I'm sorry Brady Campaign, I didn't know that I was not an adult at age 18. Hell I have friends who at that age were serving in Iraq.

    Thank you Virginia for treating me my age.

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    I read somewhere on here where a the Brady score was measured against per capita crime. Seems the higher the Brady score the higher the per capita crime rate.

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    nova wrote:
    Juvenile Handgun Purchases (Maximum 2 Points)
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    Oh I'm sorry Brady Campaign, I didn't know that I was not an adult at age 18. Hell I have friends who at that age were serving in Iraq.

    Thank you Virginia for treating me my age.
    As you know,federal law already requires persons purchasing handguns from licenced dealers to be 21, so Virginia law is pretty much unimportant in that area. However, as you also know, Virginia law doesprovide several ways for those under 21 to legally purchase and possess handguns, and I am disappointed that our score does not reflect that.

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    VApatriot wrote:
    nova wrote:
    Juvenile Handgun Purchases (Maximum 2 Points)
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    Oh I'm sorry Brady Campaign, I didn't know that I was not an adult at age 18. Hell I have friends who at that age were serving in Iraq.

    Thank you Virginia for treating me my age.
    As you know,federal law already requires persons purchasing handguns from licenced dealers to be 21, so Virginia law is pretty much unimportant in that area. However, as you also know, Virginia law doesprovide several ways for those under 21 to legally purchase and possess handguns, and I am disappointed that our score does not reflect that.
    Not only Virginia law, but Federal law also sets the age limit of 18 for handgun possession and sales from non-FFL holders to those 18+.

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    I'll take some solace in knowing by their point system we are pretty far behind and will probably never beat California. Lets see the CA score is 4 times that of VA so their crime rate should be 1/4 ours right?

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    gis wrote:
    Bulldog1967 wrote:
    WTF are they smoking?
    While I was utterly disgusted going to the Brady Bunch web site, I did it anyway. The reason Virginia scores higher (8 points) than many other states has to do with the state regulation and licensing of DEALERS absent in most free states. I suspect that in Virginia this is more a revenue issue than anything else.
    Are you serious with this comment about revenue in Virginia. I would have to disagree with you here, do you actually think Virginia makes money (by this i mean a profit) on firearm sales.

    oh I forgot to add I'm new here nice site by the way.

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    tkd2006 wrote:
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    Bulldog1967 wrote:
    WTF are they smoking?
    While I was utterly disgusted going to the Brady Bunch web site, I did it anyway. The reason Virginia scores higher (8 points) than many other states has to do with the state regulation and licensing of DEALERS absent in most free states. I suspect that in Virginia this is more a revenue issue than anything else.
    Are you serious with this comment about revenue in Virginia. I would have to disagree with you here, do you actually think Virginia makes money (by this i mean a profit) on firearm sales.

    oh I forgot to add I'm new here nice site by the way.

    Welcome to the site!

    I honestly don't know why Virginia regulates gun dealers. In most free states BATFE does it and the states stay out of it. It's just like the sales side. What's the value of the VSP check over NICS? The state gets $2 from us for every gun sold, so I am sure that they get something from the FFLs too.

    I moved to Virginia from the midwest. I love the gun laws here, but it seems that I have to pay for things that I never imagined having to pay for in Michigan, stuff like vehicle inspections, emission tests, personal property taxes, gun background check fees, etc.


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    VSP set the rate at $2 way before NICS came into existence, we had an instant check before the brady act became law. At the time it was enough to fund the program. It was good then because by doing so we didn't have to have a 5 day waiting period, some localities did but it wasn't universal. About 2 years ago the VSP tried to raise the rate to $5 citing budget concerns, maybe true but since they were turned down by the General Assembly its funny how the waiting periods for those on delay has gone from 20 minutes to well over an hour or 2, not to mention days long waits during gun show weekends.

    Changing to NICS would be a major improvement because its free to the gun buyer, it never crashes like the VICS does on a monthly basis and we would only need to do one form. However its the questions on the state form that are required by virginia law that really prevent us going to it. One handgun a month, the mental incapacitation database check, 2 forms of ID required and proof of legal presence for assault firearms need to be eliminated for us to get there.

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    tkd2006 wrote:
    gis wrote:
    While I was utterly disgusted going to the Brady Bunch web site, I did it anyway. The reason Virginia scores higher (8 points) than many other states has to do with the state regulation and licensing of DEALERS absent in most free states. I suspect that in Virginia this is more a revenue issue than anything else.
    Are you serious with this comment about revenue in Virginia. I would have to disagree with you here, do you actually think Virginia makes money (by this i mean a profit) on firearm sales.

    oh I forgot to add I'm new here nice site by the way.
    Welcome to OCDO tkd2006

    We recognize new posters bytheir post count. :P

    I didn't see state revenue as being a factor either - virtually all businesses in all states pay license fees, income taxes etc. Just how Virginia is notably different to this regard, I fail to see.

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    I dont think Virginia gets 2.00 for every gun sold i think they get 2.00 for each transaction for a state resident and 5.00 for each transaction by an out of state resident. So if you buy 4 guns (at one time)and live in state then its 2.00.

    I dont think FFLs pay anything more to the state than just the 2.00 or 5.00 transaction fee.

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    longwatch wrote:
    VSP set the rate at $2 way before NICS came into existence, we had an instant check before the brady act became law. At the time it was enough to fund the program. It was good then because by doing so we didn't have to have a 5 day waiting period, some localities did but it wasn't universal. About 2 years ago the VSP tried to raise the rate to $5 citing budget concerns, maybe true but since they were turned down by the General Assembly its funny how the waiting periods for those on delay has gone from 20 minutes to well over an hour or 2, not to mention days long waits during gun show weekends.

    Changing to NICS would be a major improvement because its free to the gun buyer, it never crashes like the VICS does on a monthly basis and we would only need to do one form. However its the questions on the state form that are required by virginia law that really prevent us going to it. One handgun a month, the mental incapacitation database check, 2 forms of ID required and proof of legal presence for assault firearms need to be eliminated for us to get there.


    Some of the people ive spoken with say the layoffs the state has had the freeze on hiring people has been the major reason for the long delays. I do see the delays have gotten a bit longer but i guess that leaves me more timeto browse and gives me an extra reason to stay at the guns shows. When i have to tell my better half "it took a few hours for mygun approval" it seems i dont get any flak.

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    Its not so bad if you know what to expect at a show, but if the VSP drags their feet of delays so much that the dealer has to pack up purchased firearm and take back from Chantilly to say Danville, well that is a bitter experience for some folks. The majority of folks who get delayed are because of common names or even identity theft, being punished for the sins of others has never been cool in my book.

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    I've heard that the dealers are taking a beating because of the delays.

    As I do not believe that the VSP personnel numbers have been reduced - could the delays be accidentally on purpose?

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    Buy your guns during the day on weekdays. I purchased handguns on two separate occasions in the last two weeks, and didn't wait more than about 5 min total for both checks...
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    Grapeshot wrote:
    I've heard that the dealers are taking a beating because of the delays.

    As I do not believe that the VSP personnel numbers have been reduced - could the delays be accidentally on purpose?

    Yata hey
    i spoke with quite a few dealers at the last show in Richmond and they all said the same thing about delays, that the state police were missing alot of people that do the checks. Greentop said the same thing.

    I do try to purchase during the week for this reason its usually alot quicker, i can be in and out in about 35 or 40 minutes.

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