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    No mention of any other kind of guns here on this thread. Don't misconstrue what this is. This is a rally at a firearms carry legal location as close to DC as possible.

    Participants are welcome to carry loaded pistols, properly holstered. However, there is no pressure to even show up armed at all. Unarmed participants are more than welcome to attend.

    When: 9AM-5PM, April 19th, 2010 (monday)
    Where: Ft. Hunt National Park, Northern VA

    Details: Staging area will be Ft. Hunt National Park, located about 12 miles south of DC. Participants will gather there, and a speaking program will be provided. From there, participants will have the opportunity to travel in small convoys up to Gravelly Point Park so they can "step up to the edge." Gravelly Point Park is right on the Potomac, about a mile from the National Mall in DC.

    The mission of the “Restore the Constitution” rally is that it be held at a firearms carry-legal location as close to DC as possible and that it attracts as many participants as possible in order to underscore the seriousness and urgency of a simple message: Restore the Constitution!

    This event is being coordinated to some degree with the planners of the Second Amendment March (SAM) taking place inside DC itself on the same day. Although they are separate events, they are close enough to each other so that some people may be able to attend both.

    Again, I am not calling on anyone to show up armed in any way. We will provide further safety guidelines for those who do choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights at the event, but no one is being specifically instructed to show up armed.

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    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    No mention of any other kind of guns here on this thread. Don't misconstrue what this is. This is a rally at a firearms carry legal location as close to DC as possible.

    Participants are welcome to carry loaded pistols, properly holstered. However, there is no pressure to even show up armed at all. Unarmed participants are more than welcome to attend.

    When: 9AM-5PM, April 19th, 2010 (monday)
    Where: Ft. Hunt National Park, Northern VA

    Details: Staging area will be Ft. Hunt National Park, located about 12 miles south of DC. Participants will gather there, and a speaking program will be provided. From there, participants will have the opportunity to travel in small convoys up to Gravelly Point Park so they can "step up to the edge." Gravelly Point Park is right on the Potomac, about a mile from the National Mall in DC.

    The mission of the “Restore the Constitution” rally is that it be held at a firearms carry-legal location as close to DC as possible and that it attracts as many participants as possible in order to underscore the seriousness and urgency of a simple message: Restore the Constitution!

    This event is being coordinated to some degree with the planners of the Second Amendment March (SAM) taking place inside DC itself on the same day. Although they are separate events, they are close enough to each other so that some people may be able to attend both.

    Again, I am not calling on anyone to show up armed in any way. We will provide further safety guidelines for those who do choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights at the event, but no one is being specifically instructed to show up armed.
    Who have you been coordinating with at SAM? I'd like to confirm this coordination.

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    richarcm wrote:
    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    No mention of any other kind of guns here on this thread. Don't misconstrue what this is. This is a rally at a firearms carry legal location as close to DC as possible.

    Participants are welcome to carry loaded pistols, properly holstered. However, there is no pressure to even show up armed at all. Unarmed participants are more than welcome to attend.

    When: 9AM-5PM, April 19th, 2010 (monday)
    Where: Ft. Hunt National Park, Northern VA

    Details: Staging area will be Ft. Hunt National Park, located about 12 miles south of DC. Participants will gather there, and a speaking program will be provided. From there, participants will have the opportunity to travel in small convoys up to Gravelly Point Park so they can "step up to the edge." Gravelly Point Park is right on the Potomac, about a mile from the National Mall in DC.

    The mission of the “Restore the Constitution” rally is that it be held at a firearms carry-legal location as close to DC as possible and that it attracts as many participants as possible in order to underscore the seriousness and urgency of a simple message: Restore the Constitution!

    This event is being coordinated to some degree with the planners of the Second Amendment March (SAM) taking place inside DC itself on the same day. Although they are separate events, they are close enough to each other so that some people may be able to attend both.

    Again, I am not calling on anyone to show up armed in any way. We will provide further safety guidelines for those who do choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights at the event, but no one is being specifically instructed to show up armed.
    Who have you been coordinating with at SAM? I'd like to confirm this coordination.
    I haveupdated SAM's leadershipas to what we are doing, but there is no official linkage.We are in communication with eachother regarding our separate events.If you'd like to confirm details and names on your end, that sounds like something best done outside of anonymous forum postings. PM, email, or callme and I will be glad to fill you in on details.

    My name is Daniel Almond.

    A good email to reach me at is restoretheconstitution@alarmandmuster.com

    and my phone number is 404-788-9735

    Part of the reason the RTC rally is going to go on as long as it is so that some participants may attend both events if they so choose.

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    The title to your thread is kind of funny. We already know we can carry our pistols, properly holstered or not, as well as any other firearms we damn well please, at the Retore the Constitution rally or almost any other place within the Commonwealth.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Thundar wrote:
    The title to your thread is kind of funny. We already know we can carry our pistols, properly holstered or not, as well as any other firearms we damn well please, at the Retore the Constitution rally or almost any other place within the Commonwealth.
    The title, as well as the post, should be within theguidelines of this forum. While most on here are probably pretty familiar with carry laws, they may not be familiar with this particular carry-friendly event.

    Also, some folks on here plan on attending the SAM the same day, and that's fine. But, it is possible to attend both this event and SAm on the same day, as they both last at least 6 hours and the Gravelly Point portion of the RTC event is less than 1.5 miles from the national mall where the SAM will be held.

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    Why is there no mention of Western Rifle Shooters' excellent post on this topic with (self-imposed) rules and restrictions on firearms allowed? Read it by clicking here.

    Info also at Restoretheconstitution.wordpress.com

    Long guns must be EMPTY of ammo, and slung. If not slung, you may be charged with brandishing. All we "need" (Snark) is an agent provocateur to foul this up for us. Should be a fun time!

    See my blog, DC Handgun Info, for answers to many questions you may have about D.C. handgun regs.

    Long guns are OK to own, so long as they are technologically retarded: no scary looking black rifles or Street Sweepers. Handguns are OK to own (if on the Md. or Calif. "approved handguns" list) inside the home or business only -- but not to be transported outside the home openly or concealed.

    See you at the Restore the Constitution Rally, probably. :celebrate


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    DC Handgun Info wrote:
    Why is there no mention of Western Rifle Shooters' excellent post on this topic with (self-imposed) rules and restrictions on firearms allowed? Read it by clicking here.

    Info also at Restoretheconstitution.wordpress.com

    Long guns must be EMPTY of ammo, and slung. If not slung, you may be charged with brandishing. All we "need" (Snark) is an agent provocateur to foul this up for us. Should be a fun time!

    See my blog, DC Handgun Info, for answers to many questions you may have about D.C. handgun regs.

    Long guns are OK to own, so long as they are technologically retarded: no scary looking black rifles or Street Sweepers. Handguns are OK to own (if on the Md. or Calif. "approved handguns" list) inside the home or business only -- but not to be transported outside the home openly or concealed.

    See you at the Restore the Constitution Rally, probably.
    Speaking for me only I have never heard of Western Rifle Shooters before now.

    Do you have a basis upon which you assert that long guns must be empty?

    We cite sources around these here parts...

    TFred

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    Here's the thread:

    http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot...earms-and.html

    Hope to see you there.

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    concerned american wrote:
    Here's the thread:

    http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot...earms-and.html

    Hope to see you there.
    Ah... I see. It's not a requirement, you've just inviting people to follow your suggested rules, even though they are on public property and with no real legal need to do so.

    Thanks.

    TFred

    ETA: Just to clarify, I'm not saying that is necessarily a bad thing, just wanted to understand the situation.

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    The organizers are being prudent, and I agree with them, about having unloaded long guns. If you go, you can take ammo with you. If you are fired upon (what are the odds?), you can load and return fire.

    Remember, we have to be wary of agent(s) provocateurs (i.e., ATF? FBI? See Hal Turner, and COINTELPRO) getting people at a rally like 4-19-10 to do something stupid.

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    DC Handgun Info wrote:
    The organizers are being prudent, and I agree with them, about having unloaded long guns. If you go, you can take ammo with you. If you are fired upon (what are the odds?), you can load and return fire.

    Remember, we have to be wary of agent(s) provocateurs (i.e., ATF? FBI? See Hal Turner, and COINTELPRO) getting people at a rally like 4-19-10 to do something stupid.
    I understand, and I don't have a problem with the action itself. Your post presented it as a requirement ("MUST be"). I and I believe most people here tend to associate such language with law, and in this case it isn't. It's a suggestion and a desire, which would normally be indicated by something along the lines of "should be", or "we would like" or perhaps even "we strongly suggest".

    TFred

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    TFred wrote:
    DC Handgun Info wrote:
    The organizers are being prudent, and I agree with them, about having unloaded long guns. If you go, you can take ammo with you. If you are fired upon (what are the odds?), you can load and return fire.

    Remember, we have to be wary of agent(s) provocateurs (i.e., ATF? FBI? See Hal Turner, and COINTELPRO) getting people at a rally like 4-19-10 to do something stupid.
    I understand, and I don't have a problem with the action itself. Your post presented it as a requirement ("MUST be"). I and I believe most people here tend to associate such language with law, and in this case it isn't. It's a suggestion and a desire, which would normally be indicated by something along the lines of "should be", or "we would like" or perhaps even "we strongly suggest".

    TFred
    What TFred said.

    We need not fear ATF, the FBI or any other agent provocateur. This is Virginia wherefirearms law is what it is, not what some federal agent thinks or wants it to be.

    Ask nicely and you may have acceptance of your request. Try to BS us into surrendering our rights and you might end up with 100 locked and loaded AKs.

    Live free or die,

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    Thundar wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    DC Handgun Info wrote:
    The organizers are being prudent, and I agree with them, about having unloaded long guns. If you go, you can take ammo with you. If you are fired upon (what are the odds?), you can load and return fire.

    Remember, we have to be wary of agent(s) provocateurs (i.e., ATF? FBI? See Hal Turner, and COINTELPRO) getting people at a rally like 4-19-10 to do something stupid.
    I understand, and I don't have a problem with the action itself. Your post presented it as a requirement ("MUST be"). I and I believe most people here tend to associate such language with law, and in this case it isn't. It's a suggestion and a desire, which would normally be indicated by something along the lines of "should be", or "we would like" or perhaps even "we strongly suggest".

    TFred
    What TFred said.

    We need not fear ATF, the FBI or any other agent provocateur. This is Virginia wherefirearms law is what it is, not what some federal agent thinks or wants it to be.

    Ask nicely and you may have acceptance of your request. Try to BS us into surrendering our rights and you might end up with 100 locked and loaded AKs.

    Live free or die,

    Thundar
    +1 Thundar, well said my man!!

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    Thundar wrote:
    Ask nicely and you may have acceptance of your request. Try to BS us into surrendering our rights and you might end up with 100 locked and loaded AKs.

    Live free or die,

    Thundar
    I'm with him.

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    VaLiberty wrote:
    Thundar wrote:
    Ask nicely and you may have acceptance of your request. Try to BS us into surrendering our rights and you might end up with 100 locked and loaded AKs.

    Live free or die,

    Thundar
    I'm with him.
    Hope to see y'all at the rally.

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    Thundar wrote
    <much snipping>

    We need not fear ATF, the FBI or any other agent provocateur. This is Virginia wherefirearms law is what it is, not what some federal agent thinks or wants it to be.

    Ask nicely and you may have acceptance of your request. Try to BS us into surrendering our rights and you might end up with 100 locked and loaded AKs.

    Live free or die,

    Thundar
    Dang - I LOVE this country!

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    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    No mention of any other kind of guns here on this thread. Don't misconstrue what this is. This is a rally at a firearms carry legal location as close to DC as possible.

    Participants are welcome to carry loaded pistols, properly holstered. However, there is no pressure to even show up armed at all. Unarmed participants are more than welcome to attend.

    When: 9AM-5PM, April 19th, 2010 (monday)
    Where: Ft. Hunt National Park, Northern VA

    Details: Staging area will be Ft. Hunt National Park, located about 12 miles south of DC. Participants will gather there, and a speaking program will be provided. From there, participants will have the opportunity to travel in small convoys up to Gravelly Point Park so they can "step up to the edge." Gravelly Point Park is right on the Potomac, about a mile from the National Mall in DC.

    The mission of the “Restore the Constitution” rally is that it be held at a firearms carry-legal location as close to DC as possible and that it attracts as many participants as possible in order to underscore the seriousness and urgency of a simple message: Restore the Constitution!

    This event is being coordinated to some degree with the planners of the Second Amendment March (SAM) taking place inside DC itself on the same day. Although they are separate events, they are close enough to each other so that some people may be able to attend both.

    Again, I am not calling on anyone to show up armed in any way. We will provide further safety guidelines for those who do choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights at the event, but no one is being specifically instructed to show up armed.

    define "properly holstered". What exactly, are your intentions if I choose to carry my pistol in a way that you consider to be improperly holstered? Since you are telling me what I "must" do, what is your enforcement mechanism if I openly disregard your orders?


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    6L6GC wrote:
    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    No mention of any other kind of guns here on this thread. Don't misconstrue what this is. This is a rally at a firearms carry legal location as close to DC as possible.

    Participants are welcome to carry loaded pistols, properly holstered. However, there is no pressure to even show up armed at all. Unarmed participants are more than welcome to attend.

    When: 9AM-5PM, April 19th, 2010 (monday)
    Where: Ft. Hunt National Park, Northern VA

    Details: Staging area will be Ft. Hunt National Park, located about 12 miles south of DC. Participants will gather there, and a speaking program will be provided. From there, participants will have the opportunity to travel in small convoys up to Gravelly Point Park so they can "step up to the edge." Gravelly Point Park is right on the Potomac, about a mile from the National Mall in DC.

    The mission of the “Restore the Constitution” rally is that it be held at a firearms carry-legal location as close to DC as possible and that it attracts as many participants as possible in order to underscore the seriousness and urgency of a simple message: Restore the Constitution!

    This event is being coordinated to some degree with the planners of the Second Amendment March (SAM) taking place inside DC itself on the same day. Although they are separate events, they are close enough to each other so that some people may be able to attend both.

    Again, I am not calling on anyone to show up armed in any way. We will provide further safety guidelines for those who do choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights at the event, but no one is being specifically instructed to show up armed.

    define "properly holstered". What exactly, are your intentions if I choose to carry my pistol in a way that you consider to be improperly holstered? Since you are telling me what I "must" do, what is your enforcement mechanism if I openly disregard your orders?
    Before getting into that, I'd have to know if you actually have some intention of possibly attending, or if you're merely throwing out a hypothetical.

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    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    Before getting into that, I'd have to know if you actually have some intention of possibly attending, or if you're merely throwing out a hypothetical.


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    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    6L6GC wrote:
    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    Before getting into that, I'd have to know if you actually have some intention of possibly attending, or if you're merely throwing out a hypothetical.


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    Folks, speaking for just myself here, I don't really see any need to beat this horse to death.

    It seems to me that this organization is something most of us here would support to at least some extent. They used some odd wording to describe what they are planning to do, which was not generally conforming to some of the language conventions we are used to seeing on these forums. But we figured that out, so I think we all have a pretty good idea about what is going on now.

    We have plenty of people opposed to our goal here at OCDO, and we have plenty of people who we oppose. We don't need more of either category.

    If you want to go participate, then go. If you don't, then don't. Seems to me that about sums it up.

    Respectfully,

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    Speaking as someone who is attending in a support capacity (I am providing essential equipment for the Fort Hunt portion) I think the OP's message has gotten misconstrued a tad bit and that the "demand" portion indeed should have been worded a little differently.

    He (Daniel, is that you?) may not be aware of just how covetously we guard our OC RIGHTS in Virginia, but has taken the steps to attempt to coordinate this event with park services and make minor concessions to the effect of providing a less-confrontational environment by its self-devised criteria.

    Some of you have said as much in other threads that you are OK with members demanding that people don't drink and open carry or that they not be invited if they opined that they could, even if they wouldn't.

    This is not much different from my perspective, except from the rewording being made from a demand-sounding to a respectfully-request-sounding way.

    I can say (and hopefully I speak for at least some of the 4/19 contingent) that the intent is to be armed. The intent is also to create an environment of calm and peaceful (however armed) resistance.

    In doing so we would ask that you, citizens of Virginia, if you intend to attend this event and plan to do so armed, you consider honouring the requests of the organizers.

    I hope I have done justice to the event and to Virginia, for I intend to stand with them both.

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    I'll turn off the ignore button once.

    TFRED is right. This is an event many of us support. Even me, under certain conditions that were gone over at length the last time Danial showed up.

    Daniel has a problem with his syntax. Somewhere he decided he was important. He came on this board giving orders then demanded everyone's name, rank and phone number, now he's back telling everyone attending, what to carry and how.

    So to answer Daniel's question, no, even if it weren't in NOVA, I wouldn't come and it's because of his high handed manner.

    The ignore button just went back on ...permanently.


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    VaLiberty wrote:
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    Before getting into that, I'd have to know if you actually have some intention of possibly attending, or if you're merely throwing out a hypothetical.
    So are you really considering going? Are you REALLY going to show up carrying a pistol unholstered?

    In any event,I would assume most on here know what it means to carry properly holstered, and that no one plans on attending in any other manner.

    To set things straight,I did not "demand" anyone's info, and I'm not claiming any authority to "order" anyone to do anything, simply walking a fine and delicate line by setting guidelines and rules for this event. This is not easy to set up, but I and others are doing everything we can to make this event possible and make it safe and legal.

    This rally in not about me personally. This is about having a "Restore the Constitution" rally at a firearms carry legal location as close to DC as possible.

    If you don't like the idea of voicing a desire for the Constitution to be restored or if you think the government is already following the Constitution, then don't attend.

    If you don't like that it's being held in a firearms carry legal location, don't attend.



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    MSNBCis reporting that this guy -- Vanden. . .something -- from Alabama, who has been successfully agitating for people to throw rocks through the windows of local democratic party headquarters, will be one of the speakers at this rally.

    Is that true?

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