AbNo wrote:Jon34511 wrote:A cheap nylon strap with a buckle can do wonders.I see the law is unclear and I'd rather not be detained, arrested, and involved in a very expensive lawsuit over something simple. I guess I can wait until I get my CHP just to be on the safe side.
peter nap wrote:leg holster. Sorry it took so long, had to clean the truck.:shock:
I didn't clean my Jeep. :-D
hehe...that is what I call "the gun on the head" theory.SouthernBoy wrote:If you take this to its logical conclusion, then any time you were in a room with people standing on both sides of you, you would be "concealing" it from one of them.Thanks.
We could carry examples to the nth degree. Suppose you're waiting in line at a restaurant and your strong side is facing a wall in a semi-dark area. Is that concealed? In the context of not being visible (like maybe a hand or such), yes. Is it deliberate? Certainly. You are in the restaurant for dinner. But in the context of OC'ing a firearm, no. That would be ridiculous. If it was a violation, then anytime you turned and obstructed your gun's visibility, you'd be breaking the law.
TFred
I tried to take one without cleaning it up, but I couldn't see my gun:uhoh:AbNowrote:Jon34511 wrote:A cheap nylon strap with a buckle can do wonders.I see the law is unclear and I'd rather not be detained, arrested, and involved in a very expensive lawsuit over something simple. I guess I can wait until I get my CHP just to be on the safe side.
peter nap wrote:leg holster. Sorry it took so long, had to clean the truck.:shock:
I didn't clean my Jeep. :-D
Yep. Get's kinda crazy, doesn't it.SouthernBoy wrote:If you take this to its logical conclusion, then any time you were in a room with people standing on both sides of you, you would be "concealing" it from one of them.Thanks.
We could carry examples to the nth degree. Suppose you're waiting in line at a restaurant and your strong side is facing a wall in a semi-dark area. Is that concealed? In the context of not being visible (like maybe a hand or such), yes. Is it deliberate? Certainly. You are in the restaurant for dinner. But in the context of OC'ing a firearm, no. That would be ridiculous. If it was a violation, then anytime you turned and obstructed your gun's visibility, you'd be breaking the law.
TFred
What is very clear is that there is NO law making OC illegal therefore is is legal.I see the law is unclear and I'd rather not be detained, arrested, and involved in a very expensive lawsuit over something simple. I guess I can wait until I get my CHP just to be on the safe side.
Does anyone from VB remember if they sent the permit to you or if you had to go pick it up? I'd much prefer they just send it to me, since I work 7 days a week 9-6pm.I take my belt off, hang it over the head rest, then strap my holstered weapon to it on long car rides. If I'm a passenger I put it in the floor board and if we get pulled over/traffic stop whatever then I put it back on.
And they only have 45 days, some cities will send you a notice to come pick it up at the clerk's office, some localities actually mail it to you.
how long does it take VB to issue a CHP? Are they super slow like Chesapeake or relatively quick?
However, if you're, to use the previous example, sitting in a restaurant booth strong-side to the wall, the gun could easily be interpreted as hidden from common observation, as, at that point, no one can see it regardless of where they are or where they're looking. Once again, you might prevail in court, but it would be expensive.Jon34511 wrote:What is very clear is that there is NO law making OC illegal therefore is is legal.I see the law is unclear and I'd rather not be detained, arrested, and involved in a very expensive lawsuit over something simple. I guess I can wait until I get my CHP just to be on the safe side.
There is NO legitimate charge/statute violation for OCing.
Concealed is hidden from common observation" or "disguising the true nature of the firearm." http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308
You will notice that the reference doesn't guarantee that others can or will see it - that is a function or where they are and where they are looking - not where you are or what can be seen of you.
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You can be charged with anything and might have to spend money defending yourself. That said, most simple OC issues do NOT go to court - especially if OC was the only concern.Grapeshot wrote:However, if you're, to use the previous example, sitting in a restaurant booth strong-side to the wall, the gun could easily be interpreted as hidden from common observation, as, at that point, no one can see it regardless of where they are or where they're looking. Once again, you might prevail in court, but it would be expensive.Jon34511 wrote:What is very clear is that there is NO law making OC illegal therefore is is legal.I see the law is unclear and I'd rather not be detained, arrested, and involved in a very expensive lawsuit over something simple. I guess I can wait until I get my CHP just to be on the safe side.
There is NO legitimate charge/statute violation for OCing.
Concealed is hidden from common observation" or "disguising the true nature of the firearm." http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308
You will notice that the reference doesn't guarantee that others can or will see it - that is a function or where they are and where they are looking - not where you are or what can be seen of you.
Yata hey
If there's someone sitting between you and the wall, could they see it?Grapeshot wrote:However, if you're, to use the previous example, sitting in a restaurant booth strong-side to the wall, the gun could easily be interpreted as hidden from common observation, as, at that point, no one can see it regardless of where they are or where they're looking. Once again, you might prevail in court, but it would be expensive.Jon34511 wrote:What is very clear is that there is NO law making OC illegal therefore is is legal.I see the law is unclear and I'd rather not be detained, arrested, and involved in a very expensive lawsuit over something simple. I guess I can wait until I get my CHP just to be on the safe side.
There is NO legitimate charge/statute violation for OCing.
Concealed is hidden from common observation" or "disguising the true nature of the firearm." http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308
You will notice that the reference doesn't guarantee that others can or will see it - that is a function or where they are and where they are looking - not where you are or what can be seen of you.
Yata hey
Where is PETA when you need them?
AbNo wrote:Where is PETA when you need them?
Yata hey