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    There has to be more to the story than whats in the open. Otherwise looks like the guy was arrested without charge for 'precrime' :what::X

    By Anita Burke
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    Concerns about an Oregon Department of Transportation employee who purchased several guns after being placed on leave prompted law enforcement across Southern Oregon to step in.

    Negotiators and a SWAT team from Medford police safely took a man — whose name wasn't released — into protective custody Monday morning in the 500 block of Effie Street, Medford police said in a news release.

    He was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation.

    The man recently had been placed on administrative leave from his job and was "very disgruntled," the news release said.

    ODOT Communications Director Patrick Cooney said there were administrative, personnel matters involved that limited what the department could discuss.

    However, the state agency had reported concerns about the man to law enforcement agencies, who started monitoring him, officials said.

    "We had concerning information regarding a personnel issue and were watching the subject," Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters said.

    In two days, the man bought a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun, a Walther .380-caliber handgun and an AK-47 assault rifle, Medford police Lt. Bob Hansen said. All of those firearms were purchased legally, with required record checks by the Oregon State Police.

    Authorities were "extremely concerned" that the man may have been planning to retaliate against his employers, the news release said.

    "Instead of being reactive, we took a proactive approach," OSP Sgt. Jeff Proulx said.

    Douglas and Jackson County sheriff's departments, OSP officers based in both counties and police in Medford and Roseburg collaborated, he said.

    Medford police watched the man's home overnight, starting at about 9 p.m. Sunday, Hansen said.

    Because he was known to have weapons, police wanted to defuse the situation and ensure the man wasn't a danger to himself or others before the neighborhood awakened and people started their daily activities, Hansen said.

    Medford's hostage negotiators and SWAT team were called in at 3 a.m. Monday and arrived on the scene at about 5:45 a.m., he said.

    About a dozen officers responded. They closed the street for about an hour and evacuated three homes to protect neighbors and prevent bystanders from gathering, he said.

    After a phone conversation with negotiators, the man — who was alone in the home — agreed to come out, Hansen said.

    Police seized the recently purchased firearms, as well as another .45-caliber Heckler & Koch handgun and a 12-gauge shotgun. Police are holding the weapons for safekeeping, but no criminal charges have been filed.

    Reach reporter Anita Burke at 541-776-4485, or e-mail aburke@mailtribune.com.
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    Well the fact he was administrative leave means there is definately more to the story. He either failed his psych exam, failed something, did something wrong at work like threaten someone or something like that.



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    "In two days, the man bought a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun, a Walther .380-caliber handgun and an AK-47 assault rifle".

    HOW.....did he get an 'assault rifle' in two days? That takes MONTHS.

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    TheMrMitch wrote:
    "In two days, the man bought a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun, a Walther .380-caliber handgun and an AK-47 assault rifle".

    HOW.....did he get an 'assault rifle' in two days? That takes MONTHS.
    Why, he bought it on the black rifle market, of course.

    Hahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!

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    "a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun"



    What the heck is a "universal self-loading handgun"?



    And people wonder why I think reporters/editors are second only to lawyers as bottom of the pile pond scum....



    No offence to the lawyers and reporters on this forum, of course... :celebrate

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    PavePusher wrote:
    "a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun"



    What the heck is a "universal self-loading handgun"?



    And people wonder why I think reporters/editors are second only to lawyers as bottom of the pile pond scum....



    No offence to the lawyers and reporters on this forum, of course... :celebrate
    I think she substituted "handgun" for "pistol" not understanding that it makes a difference in this case.

    H&K universal self-loading pistol aka H&K USP is what I THINK was intended.
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    Staff cuts, long hours, dealing with a public who aren't in the best of moods anyway, there is going to be a lot of disgruntled employees in the future, they could save a lot of time and just arrest all of them now but then who would harass people needing their services? What a quandary.

    As far as the universal self loading handgun I bet its one of those clip fed gas operated semi automatic assault revolvers. I wonder if it was the one with the universal remote control in the grip and optional bayonet.
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    Yeah, USP stands for Universal Self-loading Pistol...at least officially. (Unofficially, its rumored to stand for United States Pistol which I think makes sense since the official version seems like it should be USLP..)
    The reporter probably wrote it out so it sounds like an assault pistol.

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    colt45ws wrote:
    The reporter probably wrote it out so it sounds like an assault pistol.
    Ya think? :P
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    And yet how many people get PPO's against someone whohas madeactual threats againsttheir life, they say well we can't do anything until he/she attacks you.

    The POLICE STATE continues to march on......
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    PavePusher wrote:
    "a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun" What the heck is a "universal self-loading handgun"?
    USP = Universale Selbstladepistole ("universal self-loading pistol")

    I carry one in .40

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    Archsgurl wrote:
    He either failed his psych exam, failed something, did something wrong at work like threaten someone or something like that.
    For a Department of Transportation employee, a psychological examination? I don't want to live in that world. I was/am a nuke and was never explicitly psycho-illogically examined.

    The rest is rank speculation.

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    Minority Reportish.
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    Master Doug,

    Having dealt with several high-muckety-mucks at DOT HQ while I was a contractor in the DC area, I can tell you that it is my opinion that ANYONE higher on the pay grade than about a G-5 or in a supervisory position, and DEFINITELY any one in an "appointed" position should be required to get routine psyche evals.

    You wouldn't believe some of the insane, nonsensical, double-speaking, backstabbing foolishness some of the DOT folks try to pawn off as "decision-making"...

    The only transportation-related agencies that are more prone to inherent psychosis are perhaps the State DMV's (Pray you never have to deal with the VA or MD DMV), or perhaps the TSA...
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    Fails on cost/benefit ratio, if nothing else, unless you pay for it.

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    Update:
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    March 11, 2010 12:45 PM

    The Medford man whose firearms were seized by police for safekeeping Monday when he was taken into protective custody has asked for their return.

    David J. Pyles has asked police to return the items taken from him when a SWAT team and negotiators descended on his Effie Street home early Monday. He sent an e-mailed request today, forwarding copies to legislators and media outlets.

    Medford police said they were watching the Effie Street home starting Sunday night in response to law enforcement concerns about the man after he was placed on administrative leave from his job on Thursday.

    A Medford police news release described him as disgruntled and said police knew he had legally purchased several firearms over two days. Police identified the guns as a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber handgun, a Walther .380-caliber handgun and an AK-47 rifle.

    In what police described as a "proactive" move, they wanted to defuse the situation before people started their daily routines on Monday.

    The guns, along with another handgun and a shotgun the man also owned, were seized for "safekeeping" Monday, police said. The man was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation, police said. He was released several hours later.

    Now, Pyles wants his property returned.

    Medford police Lt. Bob Hansen said police try to return found, stolen or seized property to its rightful owner as soon as possible and have a procedure for doing so. If the property was seized as evidence, courts have the final say on when it can be returned.

    Hansen declined to discuss Pyles' request, but described the department's process, which can take several weeks. Processing weapons takes longer than other items, he said.

    When a person requests the release of property held by police, first the officer handling the case confirms that the item is no longer needed for the investigation, he said. Property control specialists confirm the owner's identity, then, for weapons, send information to Oregon State Police to determine if the person can legally have the weapon. OSP checks criminal records and looks for medical holds that might block gun ownership, Hansen said. Local police check additional municipal court records.

    Authorities also check to make sure the gun isn't reported stolen or linked to other crimes. After a final review to ensure all records are in order, the owner is notified to come claim the item.

    http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs...plate=printart

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    jwidman wrote:
    SNIP "Instead of being reactive, we took a proactive approach," OSP Sgt. Jeff Proulx said.
    Translation: "We decided to hell with the Fourth Amendment and probable cause; we'll just seize some of his effects on self-induced and self-magnified suspicion."

    And, "Since we can make it look like he is mentally 'unstable', we will turn him over to the only people who can imprison someone indefinitely without trial--psychiatrists."

    "Plus, if the psychiatrists say he is fine,we're covered if he blows up and shoots half the office. Everybody knows psychiatrists get it wrong lots of times, but forget it because psychiatrists are the 'professionals'. A win-win situation for us, especially since maybe only 1 in 100 people know what probable cause is, and will still insist on it even when it comes to allegations of mental instability and firearms. Ain't our public image great? We just say we are being 'pro-active' and everybody goes along with it?"
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    It won't be long now, Just wait until all police depts across the USA become proactive, like they did with this guy, How long will it take before someone fights back ? Because what they did was basically the first recorded case of civilian Gun Confiscation < am I wrong or am I correct ? The man had committed no crime, yet they knocked in his door, arrested him ( kidnapping is more like it ) threw him in a mental institution & took his guns WTF ??!!!! I say very nice Gestapo tactics, is this the Nazi states of America ?

    Welcome to Amerika, did someone here recently say the - Republic is strong, the Constitution is sound and we should be happy today while planning for an even better tomorrow. Because It sure don't look that way Be happy how ? when crap like this happens.

    If the Constitution is so sound, then how could this have happened ?
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    I think this guy has a very good lawsuit forming here. Can they even run the numbers on his guns that they seized illegally?

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    Wow. This is quite disturbing. Theyconfiscated his property. They have no reason to hold it. They delay giving it back to him. Sounds quite scary to me. You know, we just decided to be proactive.




    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    ODOT worker wants guns; police say they'll comply


    March 12, 2010

    By Anita Burke

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    MEDFORD — The Medford man whose firearms were seized by police Monday when he was taken into protective custody has asked for their return and police say they will comply with the request.

    David J. Pyles sent an e-mail to police Thursday, asking them to return the items taken from him when a SWAT team and negotiators descended on his Effie Street home early Monday. He forwarded copies to legislators and media outlets.

    Medford Police Chief Randy Schoen said the department plans to return the seized weapons today.

    "He gave them up voluntarily and we don't have a court order to hold them," Schoen said. "We will give them back to him."

    The seizure of Pyles' weapons prompted a debate among gun rights advocates and those who said police acted appropriately after being informed of a potentially threatening situation.

    Medford police said they started watching the Effie Street home Sunday night in response to law enforcement concerns about the resident — later identified as Pyles — after he was placed on administrative leave from his job on Thursday.

    The Oregon Department of Transportation said Pyles is a development planner who started working there in February 2004.

    Medford police described him in a news release as disgruntled and said police knew he had legally purchased a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber handgun, a Walther .380-caliber handgun and an AK-47 rifle since being placed on leave.

    Information compiled by Oregon State Police, Medford and Roseburg police, and Jackson and Douglas county sheriff's departments prompted concerns that Pyles could be a threat. The news release noted that police were "extremely concerned" that he might retaliate against his employer.

    "We wanted to make sure nothing bad happened," Schoen said.

    In an effort to defuse the situation before people started their daily routines on Monday, a SWAT team and negotiators moved in during the pre-dawn hours.

    "He came out voluntarily," Schoen said, noting that he then directed police to the recently purchased weapons, as well as another handgun and a shotgun he owned.

    All the firearms were seized for "safekeeping" and the man was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation, police said. He was released several hours later.

    Medford police Lt. Bob Hansen said police generally try to return found, stolen or seized property to its rightful owner as soon as possible and have a procedure for doing so, to ensure that there are not ownership or legal issues. If the property was seized as evidence, courts have the final say on when it can be returned.

    Reach reporter Anita Burke at 541-776-4485, or e-mail aburke@mailtribune.com.


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    He gave the weapons up "voluntarily"???

    Yeah, a SWAT team descends on you and says, "Please." Yep, that's the definition of "voluntary"!

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    kwikrnu wrote:
    "He came out voluntarily," Schoen said, noting that he then directed police to the recently purchased weapons, as well as another handgun and a shotgun he owned.

    All the firearms were seized for "safekeeping" and the man was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation, police said. He was released several hours later.


    In Tennessee if you are taken to a mental facility "voluntarily" I think it does not affect your ability to have a handgun carry permit or buy guns. I believe that if you are involuntarily committed you lose your handgun carry permit forever and are no longer eligable to buy guns.

    I wonder if this man was coerced into going in for the evaluation.

    Did the police ask where the guns were or did they demand and just say they asked...If my street was blocked, my neighbors evacuated, and swat was at my door I would do pretty much anything the cops asked at that point.

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    eye95 wrote:
    He gave the weapons up "voluntarily"???

    Yeah, a SWAT team descends on you and says, "Please." Yep, that's the definition of "voluntary"!
    This guy was smart, resistance against a swat team would have been futile.



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