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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...igration-plan/

    Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain. Under the potentially controversial plan still taking shape in the Senate, all legal U.S. workers, including citizens and immigrants, would be issued an ID card with embedded information, such as fingerprints, to tie the card to the worker.

    The ID card plan is one of several steps advocates of an immigration overhaul are taking to address concerns that have defeated similar bills in the past.
    The uphill effort to pass a bill is being led by Sens. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), who plan to meet with President Barack Obama as soon as this week to update him on their work. An administration official said the White House had no position on the biometric card.

    "It's the nub of solving the immigration dilemma politically speaking," Schumer said in an interview. The card, he said, would directly answer concerns that after legislation is signed, another wave of illegal immigrants would arrive. "If you say they can't get a job when they come here, you'll stop it." The biggest objections to the biometric cards may come from privacy advocates, who fear they would become de facto national ID cards that enable the government to track citizens.

    "It is fundamentally a massive invasion of people's privacy," said Chris Calabrese, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "We're not only talking about fingerprinting every American, treating ordinary Americans like criminals in order to work. We're also talking about a card that would quickly spread from work to voting to travel to pretty much every aspect of American life that requires identification."
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    NOT related to open carry, follow j pierce requests and stop posting topics not related to open carry
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    When you are FORCED to get it, keep it safe on your fridge with very strong magnets.:P

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    TheMrMitch wrote:
    When you are FORCED to get it, keep it safe on your fridge with very strong magnets.:P
    Passive RFID tags are not magnetically sensitive. You'd need to build some kind of RFID zapper. A disposable camera with a flash will work nicely. So will our microwave oven.

    Just thought I'd get that in before the thread was locked.
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    Is this a national OPEN CARRY CARD?

    What does this have to do with Open Carry again? Will this prevent me open carrying in arizona or colorado?

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    I'm sure they'll eventually tie it to guns. No ID card = you can't own guns.

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    Notso wrote:
    I'm sure they'll eventually tie it to guns. No ID card = you can't own guns.
    DO NOT REMOVE - this is not conspiracy crap; two major media outlets announce new citizen ID card system with biometric tracking - this is no time to be censoring ourselves :what:

    Research the international commitments to implement national ID cards (voting cards & immigration are the two most common ways to implement the cards which are subsequently expanded) -

    Protecting personal privacy rights are critical to preserving the RKBA. Witness how antis use publicly available conceal carry lists to try to embarrass gun toting neighbors - in South Dakota, our list was depublished to preserve privacy.

    A person's decision to exercise the RKBA is a private, personal decision. In light of all the other (some failed, some successful) attempts to squelch the RKBA and to identify and track gun owners, it is hard to believe that a biometric computerized National ID card would not somehow be expanded to include info on it as to whether you own guns, how many, what kind and where they are.

    National biometric ID tracking is absolutely diametrically opposed to preserving the RKBA - so this posting is appropriate and should not be censored.

    Please respect that the value of these boards for most people is the natural, free and independently minded discourse found here.

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    Most of the illegals here work from "pickup spots" where they are hred for cheap day labor, and I never heard of anybody giving them a W2 for a day's work. This is a sinister design that has nothing to do with immigration, and it is going to go nowhere. There are some things the peple will just not put up with.

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    Conspiracy ****, come on. Nothing to do with OpenCarry, just your own political viewpoitns

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    Pace wrote:
    just your own political viewpoitns
    back atcha -

    we can disagree about whether it is open carry related

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Most of the illegals here work from "pickup spots" where they are hred for cheap day labor, and I never heard of anybody giving them a W2 for a day's work.
    I remember seeing that in and around DC when I worked there.

    You'd go by a hardware store or a tool shop, and there's be literally dozens of people standing around in the parking lot, ready to go.

    You'd see a van pull up, or maybe a truck, some negotiation, and off they'd go.

    According to a friend of mine that moved here from California, that didn't happen out there. The workers would come to you.
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    Works that way in Texas all the time.

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    Pace wrote:
    Is this a national OPEN CARRY CARD?

    What does this have to do with Open Carry again? Will this prevent me open carrying in arizona or colorado?

    REMOVE!
    This has everything to do with open carry. If you work at a gun store, where you OC all the time ...if you decide against getting this card, you lose your job, then no more OPEN CARRY at your work place.

    Glad I am self employed....they can pound that card, where the sun don't shine...BAD IDEA FOR AMERICA !!! They need to close the southern boarder & kick out the illegals. it's a conspiracy, this will be the same thing as , when the Nazi's in WW2 Germany asked German citizens for their "PAPERS" bad, bad stuff.



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    I'm embarrassed that Lindsay Graham is my Senator.

    I'm even more embarrassed that I voted for him.

    I like guns and open carry every day (required firearm content for the oblivious, self-important whiners).
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    Glock34 wrote:
    Pace wrote:
    Is this a national OPEN CARRY CARD?

    What does this have to do with Open Carry again? Will this prevent me open carrying in arizona or colorado?

    REMOVE!
    This has everything to do with open carry. If you work at a gun store, where you OC all the time ...if you decide against getting this card, you lose your job, then no more OPEN CARRY at your work place.

    Glad I am self employed....they can pound that card, where the sun don't shine...BAD IDEA FOR AMERICA !!! They need to close the southern boarder & kick out the illegals. it's a conspiracy, this will be the same thing as , when the Nazi's in WW2 Germany asked German citizens for their "PAPERS" bad, bad stuff.


    As well as they are wanting it to replace your current DL. If a person who wishes to purchase any firearm they would have to use the RFID card as his current ID. This Real ID card could very easy be used to track what firearms a person buys. WAKE UP PEOPLE, IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH OUR GUN RIGHTS. PERIOD. Many states said they will refused to follow the federal law if passed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCU2OJPZ4AM

    [urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=5M2gODnF6L8&feature=related[/url] part 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=9kW6sNwGRXE&feature=related PART 2


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    Once more guys: This scheme is so disturbing and sinister that the American people will not stand for it. In fact, I think that is why Shecky is pushing it, so when it inevitably comes to criticizing him for not doing anything about immigration he can say he tried, but his genius idea was rejected. I am not saying this lunacydoes not need tobe watched lest someone try to sneak it through as an amendment to some "child safety emergency" bill.

    Here's my idea for a great bill: The Omnibus Hit Schumer in the Face with a Pie on the Senate Floor Live on CSPAN Act.

    Fk Shecky Schumer.

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    I have always thought those RIFD cards are a bad idea. I heard that the readers that Leos will/do carry for them can read them without even having to pull over the car, that is a violation of our rights right there.

    Soon, this card will be needed for anything.. Food,meds,travel, guns... and they(gov't) will decide who gets what. Welcome to Socialism.

    This card needs to be shot down fast, or soon govt will be knocking at doors asking to see our papers.

    Oh and you cant read them if you wrap the card in foil before you put it in your wallet.

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    Why hasn't anybody mentioned REAL ID ACT ?? That's what this is. Perhaps it will see the same demise.

    *edited: Real ID was mentioned.

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    Hey What are the AMISH going to do!????? Funny.. they've managed to Not pay taxes.. Not use Drivers Licenses.. Not give a damn about the Feds in general. While the rest of us suffer the consequences of poor judgment and bad decision making.

    No seriously though.. What will the Amish do!!!??

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    cscitney87 wrote:
    Why hasn't anybody mentioned REAL ID ACT ?? That's what this is. Perhaps it will see the same demise.

    *edited: Real ID was mentioned.
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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Most of the illegals here work from "pickup spots" where they are hred for cheap day labor, and I never heard of anybody giving them a W2 for a day's work. This is a sinister design that has nothing to do with immigration, and it is going to go nowhere. There are some things the peple will just not put up with.
    ^^That. There is a Mexican job shop just up the road from me at the Wa Wa. Every morning, they congregate at the side andget picked up for some work. No Id's checked, or documents given.

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    Worker ID cards? LOL the people who hire them hire them because they are illegals! lol What is a card going to prevent?
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    Pace wrote:
    Is this a national OPEN CARRY CARD?

    What does this have to do with Open Carry again? Will this prevent me open carrying in arizona or colorado?

    REMOVE!
    This absolutely is on topic. Many here, including me, have had felon cops seize their ID's, and run them. Having a mandatory federal ID would make this easier to do. Aside from all the other big brotherish aspects, it would make it easier for police to abuse us.
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