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    This happened 3 days before I (a law abiding responsible citizen) was asked to return my openly carried pistol to my vehicle while in The Venue, a bar in Standale.

    I really am at a loss for words.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi...ce_gun_le.html

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    I'll refrain from comment on the rest of the story, but for what it's worth I'm pretty sure GRPD duty side-arms are .40SW Sigs...not 9mm as the article states.

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    and open carriers are thought to be the problem??
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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    lil_freak_66 wrote:
    and open carriers are thought to be the problem??
    Of course, don't you know you should be trained to handle firearms like the police are... oh wait

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    honestly i see civilians,both CCers OCers and just owners at the range far more often than LEO's
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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    lil_freak_66 wrote:
    honestly i see citizens,both CCers OCers and just owners at the range far more often than LEO's
    Fixed it for you.

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    just another example of how police officers are viewed as above the law.

    What if we forgot a pistol in a bar and someone fired it?

    prison?

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    Obviously, the woman thought the gun was complimentary, provided by the establishment for any gentleman who happened to have left his at home.

    She was probably a bit peeved that complimentary guns were not provided to the ladies, too. And decided to take it out on the beer cooler.
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    for some Strange reason i cant figure out why this doesn't surprise me...hmmm...i wish i could leave a LOADED firearm in the bathroom of a BAR....and then get to sit at home....STILL BEING PAID...
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    Leaving the whole legality of the issue aside, I would like to point out what a pain in the butt it is to go to the bathroom with a holster on your belt or attached to you pants. Are shoulder holsters the answer here?

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    xraygil1 wrote:
    Leaving the whole legality of the issue aside, I would like to point out what a pain in the butt it is to go to the bathroom with a holster on your belt or attached to you pants. Are shoulder holsters the answer here?
    I oc all day, every day, it doesn't take long to get used to it.

    As far as the woman that found it, how high do you think the percentage is, of citizens that check to see if a gun is real (or loaded)by just pulling the trigger.

    Sad, very sad.

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    SIGfreed wrote:
    xraygil1 wrote:
    Leaving the whole legality of the issue aside, I would like to point out what a pain in the butt it is to go to the bathroom with a holster on your belt or attached to you pants. Are shoulder holsters the answer here?
    I oc all day, every day, it doesn't take long to get used to it.

    As far as the woman that found it, how high do you think the percentage is, of citizens that check to see if a gun is real (or loaded)by just pulling the trigger.

    Sad, very sad.
    Ignorance and alcohol, can apparently lead a women to the mens restroom. Which It seems i'm the only one that finds that odd. I know MSP carries SIG, not sure on what GRPD carries. That's an interesting thing to look up.

    Similar to the situation with the trigger being pulled, perhaps it was just assumed to be a 9mm by a 1am drunkard firearms expert.


    MI says if your responsible for your firearms fired out of negligence, IE left loaded in your home. I wonder who's going to pay for the cooler/who would have gone to jail....Both IMO is a suitable answer for both questions.

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    lil_freak_66 wrote:
    honestly i see civilians,both CCers OCers and just owners at the range far more often than LEO's
    LEOs goto their own ranges.
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    jeremy05 wrote:
    lil_freak_66 wrote:
    honestly i see civilians,both CCers OCers and just owners at the range far more often than LEO's
    LEOs goto their own ranges.
    Not down here. The township got their range shut down and now they shoot at my club.
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    xraygil1 wrote:
    Leaving the whole legality of the issue aside, I would like to point out what a pain in the butt it is to go to the bathroom with a holster on your belt or attached to you pants. Are shoulder holsters the answer here?
    In a sit down position, my uncle, a state trooper told me what you do is remove the handgun from the holster (because someone could grab it from the next stall) and place it in your underwear (if you wear underwear and all good troopers do!). When you are ready to stand up re-holster...if you forget, the handgun falls on the floor and reminds you that your are an idiot for forgetting it.
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    Venator wrote:
    xraygil1 wrote:
    Leaving the whole legality of the issue aside, I would like to point out what a pain in the butt it is to go to the bathroom with a holster on your belt or attached to you pants. Are shoulder holsters the answer here?
    In a sit down position, my uncle, a state trooper told me what you do is remove the handgun from the holster (because someone could grab it from the next stall) and place it in your underwear (if you wear underwear and all good troopers do!). When you are ready to stand up re-holster...if you forget, the handgun falls on the floor and reminds you that your are an idiot for forgetting it.
    Yep, this is what I've always done. Just put the gun in the crotch of your pants while they're around your ankles. Impossible to forget it that way, and readily accessible in case the toilet paper thief barges in.

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    after 32 years of carry I can't remember ever leaving a weapon anywhere. But I don't drink and so I can only guess if he was drinking there might in lie the problem....

    Drinming while in possesion of a weapon isn't the smartest act a cop can do.

    On that Mlive site somone commented that cops don't get drunk and shoot people? BULL$HIT! Detroit city of Has had numerous domestics involving cops who killed wivesor shot others Since Mayor Colejoke A. Young was the dick tater in cheif. Many of those shootings involved alcohol.
    I love how idiots defend with not a shred of common sense.

    I know some cops who will have a beer and they do it at home gun put away and not touched.
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