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    Procedures shoot down Oklahoma's open-carry gun proposal

    BY MICHAEL MCNUTT The Oklahoman
    Published: March 11, 2010



    A proposal to allow unrestricted open carrying of weapons was shot down by legislative procedures Wednesday in the state House of Representatives.

    But a proposal to allow those with permits to carry concealed weapons to also carry them out in the open is still alive and may be attached to another bill today, the last day House members can act on House-generated bills.

    Both proposals were filed as amendments to House Bill 2538, which would have allowed a gun owner who has a permit to carry a concealed firearm to put a loaded weapon on the dashboard or seat of a vehicle. Oklahoma only allows concealed gun permits, and gun owners with permits must conceal the weapons in their vehicles.
    Both efforts failed as Rep. Sue Tibbs, the author of HB 2538, eventually withdrew the measure after more than an hour of debate and legislative maneuvering.
    Before withdrawing her bill, Tibbs, R-Tulsa, had accepted an amendment by Rep. David Derby, R-Owasso, which would allow those with concealed carry permits to carry the weapons in the open.
    She also had accepted an amendment by Rep. Mike Reynolds, R-Oklahoma City, that would allow any person to carry a rifle, shotgun or pistol at any time if the person has a reasonable fear of bodily harm.
    Reynolds, R-Oklahoma City, and other supporters of his measure also were upset that Tibbs filed an amendment that took the title off the bill, which meant that it eventually would have to go through the committee process.
    Reynolds wanted his amendment to be voted on in the House chamber with a recorded vote so gun-rights groups could see how legislators voted.
    Reynolds actually spoke against his own amendment. If his amendment failed, then he could introduce a stronger open-carry measure, he said.
    Before House members could vote, however, Tibbs accepted the amendment.
    Reynolds asked that rules be suspended so he could file an amendment from the floor. Passage required 68 votes of the 101-member body; it passed 94-0.
    Before Reynolds could present his proposed amendment, Rep. Jeff Hickman, presiding in the House, asked for a voice vote on Reynolds’ amendment. Most of the members voted for it and Hickman, R-Fairview, declared the amendment was adopted. Then he realized his error.
    "We don’t have an amendment,” he said.
    Hickman ruled the voice vote was improper. Before Reynolds could object, Hickman called on Tibbs to speak.
    Tibbs, who held up her National Rifle Association card to members and said she has a concealed-carry permit, withdrew her bill.
    "This is not an NRA bill,” she said. "It is not one of their priorities.”
    Tibbs later said she will not bring her bill back up for consideration.
    Rep. Rex Duncan, R-Sand Springs, said he would attempt to place Derby’s amendment into one of his measures, HB 3354, which deals with the carrying of weapons.
    Amendments may be added to legislation if they have the same general subject matter.
    Tim Gillespie, vice president of the Oklahoma Second Amendment Association, said he is disappointed the open-carry measure failed "and so are my members.”

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    Sue tibbs is not a gun activitist. For 25 dollars, she bought her an NRA card. Well, whoop-tee-doo! Even Carl Marx, Adolf Hitler or Obama can send in 25 bucks and get an NRA member card to hide behind, just like Sue Tibbs. She is too old to be in congress. I am so disappointed in her. I hope the OK congress or senate create another bill to vote on and make it law. She used the excuse that the gov. would not sign it. We need to RID our govt of liberals like Tibbs, and that gov of our ours and that Attorney General who is in bed with his Obama democrat party, or the new socialist party.

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    Representative Mike Ritze was on the Pat Campbell Show - KFAQ, Tulsa - this morning (4/23/10) and said after all the parliamentary mumbo-jumbo, HB 3354 was passed and sent to the Governor for his signature.

    It is a highly-amended version of the original "Open Carry" bill, but in my humble opinion, it is a big foot in the door. Ritze said 3354 gives folks in OK the right to open carry, but only after passing a CCW class. I have no idea what that means. The OK Legislature web site doesn't track 3354 very well, if all of the above is true. Also, being a self-confessed dummy, I can't seem to find the final language of HB3354 as sent to the Guv.

    Guess we need to lobby the Governor now, if we want SOME kind of Open Carry legalized. And rise to fight again later..............

    http://www.gov.ok.gov/message.php

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    jwcoopusa wrote:
    Ritze said 3354 gives folks in OK the right to open carry, but only after passing a CCW class. I have no idea what that means.

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    You have no idea what that means because it is meaningless from a legal point of view (assuming the quote from Ritze is accurate). The state cannot "GIVE" rights to anyone, since by definition, rights are inherent. A permit for CCW only gives the person a PRIVILEGE, granted by the state, and revocable by the same. Asking for a privilege to exercise a right is a contradiction in terms.

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    Ifthe wording says that OKies can carry after successful completion of the CCW CLASS, then it does not apply ONLYto those with their concealed weapons license, or CCW. The class is an all day class, you get a certificate, and then you go to the sherriffs office and apply for the CCW, if all you need is to complete the class and get the piece of paper, then you dont have to have the actual license to open carry. I would be very interested in reading the actual law that is if our Gov will sign it. We must contact him and encourage him to sign. Thank you for reading my thoughts.

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    It hasn't passed the House yet. The House still needs to accept the changes from the Senate because the original bill only had to do with privacy of permit holders.

    This means us Okies need to call, e-mail, and visit our Representatives and make sure they know how to vote, and how we will vote in November.

    Here's the bill as it passed the Senate




    jwcoopusa wrote:
    Representative Mike Ritze was on the Pat Campbell Show - KFAQ, Tulsa - this morning (4/23/10) and said after all the parliamentary mumbo-jumbo, HB 3354 was passed and sent to the Governor for his signature.*

    It is a highly-amended version of the original "Open Carry" bill, but in my humble opinion, it is a big foot in the door.* Ritze said 3354 gives folks in OK the right to open carry, but only after passing a CCW class.* I have no idea what that means.* The OK Legislature web site doesn't track 3354 very well, if all of the above is true.* Also, being a self-confessed dummy, I can't seem to find the final language of HB3354 as sent to the Guv.

    Guess we need to lobby the Governor now, if we want SOME kind of Open Carry legalized.* And rise to fight again later..............

    http://www.gov.ok.gov/message.php

    -jwc-

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