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    rodbender wrote: I hope he sues the living hell out of them. I hope the cops get charged with assault in the very least. Yet people still wounder why so many people fear the police It is starting to become a bad habit the way police are treating gun owners as criminals.
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    I have said for years that I am more worried about interactions with the cops than I am criminals, even whenone isexercisinghis/her rights LEGALLY. I knowcops on the streetare usually just enforcing the existing law, but sometimes their "officer's discretion" -- stopping you for some perceived illegal act -- canget one into a very unpleasant and expensive situation (legal fees, loss of your firearm, etc.).

    Dealing with criminals is so much simpler: Bang. Repeat as necessary.

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    The cops clearly pierced their qualified immunity. I hope he goes after the very clothes off their children's backs.

    I don't know about Texas, but in Ohio and Chicago, cops are strictly on their own when it comes to punitive damages.

    Going after the officers as individuals is the ONLY deterrent to this kind of thing.
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    I hope he goes after them hard. They don't deserve any less.
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    They throw him against a car, try to break his arm, stuff him in the back ofa cop car and laugh at him. Then when he goes to lodge a complaint and file a FOIA request they assault him again, interrogate him, andarrest him for not displaying his carry permit.

    The only thing done correctly was that the DA didn't prosecute. This man is going to get and deserves some big money.




    What happened here is typical of what cops do. They detain you and then try to find something you did wrong. Maybe an outstanding warrant, or jay walking, or anything no matter what so they can justify the stop or harrassment. It has happened to me too. Retalliation is unacceptable, but it happens everyday.

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    Cops in texas have attitude anyway.

    The reason for this incident is just "another black man with a gun" stereotyping.

    Jeez, he was simply taking the license plate off a car. Not like it was some violent wife-beating or rape call.

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    I really don't think we should generalize the actions of a few LEOs to a larger group of them.

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    eye95 wrote:
    I really don't think we should generalize the actions of a few LEOs to a larger group of them.
    Agreed. A few badLEOs dont represent LEOs in general any more than a few bad gun owners represent allgunowners.But those particular LEOs are no better than the crooks they're supposed to be protecting society from and should be treated accordingly.

    Not only should they face a civil lawsuit, they should also face criminal charges.
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    I agree, Huck. Criminal and civil penalties.

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    eye95 wrote:
    I really don't think we should generalize the actions of a few LEOs to a larger group of them.
    When you're a bit older then you may understand your error.

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    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
    eye95 wrote:
    I really don't think we should generalize the actions of a few LEOs to a larger group of them.
    When you're a bit older then you may understand your error.

    If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain. Francois Guizot, "Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head."
    I've about had it with your self-serving arrogance.

    This board really needs an ignore feature. However, I will just simply choose to breeze by your condescending drivel in the future. Have a nice life.

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    eye95 wrote:
    I agree, Huck. Criminal and civil penalties.
    I agree also!
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    At the core of this oppressive police conduct is the "vehicular dispensation" afforded all law enforcement by our courts when a citizen is occupying a motor vehicle (or even a bicycle !)

    The traffic stop S.W.A.T. modekicks inwhen a citizen is operating or occupying a motor vehicle. All of their training focuses on taking optimum advantage of such situations. LEO's concentrate on vehicle contact because the courts have allowed them to violate the 1st, 2nd, 4th, & 5th amendments with impunity .The trampling of rights orchestrated under traffic stop procedure is more likely than not further aggravated if the occupant(s) happen to be African American - butno one is immune to this officially sanctioned car-jacking practice.

    Good job by thiscitizen - may he soon be the proud new owner of the Carrolton police department.

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    That is what I am often afraid of. I hope the citizen gets what he is certainly due.

    A good suggestion, for anyone giving a complaint, a lawyer should be present.

    And if they say the lawyer cannot not be in the interrogation room with you, I would think that is a violation of some kind because it is essentially forcing you to give up your rights just to file a complaint, which is poppycock.

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    eye95 wrote:
    I've about had it with your self-serving arrogance.

    This board really needs an ignore feature. However, I will just simply choose to breeze by your condescending drivel in the future. Have a nice life.
    Thank you, I am having a nice life.

    But I do not write for you because I know that you can lead a post-***** to urine but can't make him think...err, ride horse drink. Awww heck, YOU get it.

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    "While all this was taking place, where were the so-called "good" cops?" -- mark edward marchiafava

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    Is there a court date set yet?

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    Hopefully he'll get their attention with a win on his lawsuit and appropriate damages which force policy changes.

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    ecocks wrote:
    Hopefully he'll get their attention with a win on his lawsuit and appropriate damages which force policy changes.
    The individual officers need to be hammered. That's the ONLY way there'll be deterrence. Otherwise, they'll commit crimes with impunity and let the taxpayers foot the bill.
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    That's what's happened before with other police departments in order for them to wise up, and probably will continue to happen again and again until OC becomes more commonly seen out in public.

    If OC ever comes to places like DC, Chicago, Detroit and other such crime-ridden repressive liberal cities, imagine being one of the first THERE to exercise your rights: "OCer meets cop" might get pretty interesting! Especially in aplace like Chicago where King Daley might have his cops arrest OCers anyway regardless of what any lawor SCOTUS ruling says.

    So expect more such "cops out of control" incidents to happen...just like wecan expect more school, workplace andmall shootings, too.

    But you know, the CHIEF is supposed to be in charge of his/her force...so he/she should be punished along with the "perp" street-cops.

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    cloudcroft wrote:
    If OC ever comes to places like DC, Chicago, Detroit and other such crime-ridden repressive liberal cities, imagine being one of the first THERE to exercise your rights:
    Better bring a video crew....


    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    eye95 wrote:
    I really don't think we should generalize the actions of a few LEOs to a larger group of them.
    Yes, we should.
    While all this was taking place, where were the so-called "good" cops?
    Just as I figured.............
    No, Mark, we shouldn't.

    Where were the good cops?

    Same reason we carry: Because they can't be everywhere.

    That being said, I'd like to see these jackasses run up a flagpole by and in only their underwear.
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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    No, AbNo, we should.
    I carry for a totally separate reason than most here: to remind those who "serve" in government who their bosses are.
    Your reason is different from most here. I see it as frequently in conflict with the stated purpose and rules of OCDO, yet you persist in ranting, often in demeaning and insulting terms.

    There once existed the opportunity to be recognized as someone that could be held up as a shining example to others - you carried the flag around which others rallied. Since then you've tarnished your own image and we've found your feet to be of clay. You've become a square peg in a round hole whose time would seem to have passed - that's unfortunate.

    I offered this suggestion in your home state section: Generate your own movement, start your own organization - dedicate it to the principles you wish to promote, in the manner you see fit - you decide what, when, where and how.

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    AbNo and Grapeshot: Thanks for making the OC movement a rational one. You help convince people that OC can be the kind of choice that ordinary people can make every day.

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    Its hard not to stereotype the police. In many instances they are the enemy or at the least worth avoiding. For example, your driving your car and a marked LEO is behind you, your probably not thinking Oh goody, a cop is behind me. I feel much safer now. How ever if your stuck on the side of the road after your car breaks down and you see a cop pulling up behind you, I don't doubt you feel relief for the potential assistance.

    Just like the police are generalizing (stereotyping) people with guns (open or concealed) as criminals until proven otherwise.

    I have had both negative and positive interactions with the police. One time while armed, on my own property. (that was a positive one)

    To say "thou shalt not generalize" is pretty high thinking, but not really going to happen.



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