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    I was going to post this as a reply to the thread about the California politician wanting to ban open carry of unloaded guns. But thought it would be a hijack there, so I'm starting a new thread.

    Open carry of an unloaded gun is a nice gesture, but "an unloaded gun is a rock." Carrying an unloaded gun is having the "right" without the reason people carry a gun. (i.e. self-defense.)

    Political action for gun rights in California may make tiny inroads, but it's like banging one's head against the wall.

    Got your serial-numbered bullets yet?

    I lived in California for decades. Got out and moved to Wyoming because California is becoming a communist country, fast.

    Whenever I mention this, people say "Well, that's nice for you, but I have (family, job, house, etc.) keeping me here."

    My moving wasn't just throwing some clothes in a backpack and jumping on a Greyhound. It was the biggest move I've ever made.

    First I had to convince my wife (that wasn't easy, but she LOVES Wyoming now and can't believe she ever lived in California). We had to put the house up for sale there, find a house here, find jobs here, hire a moving van, drive it, get settled here. It cost a lot of money and it was a LOT of work, but first I just had to get over the thought that things were "keeping" us there.

    Money goes farther here too. There's no state income tax, sales tax is low, and everything's less expensive.

    If you value liberty, GET OUT OF THAT PLACE! California really is horrible. Not just for loss of rights, but the economy is only going to get worse, and crime is only going to go up.

    While California's politicians are trying to outlaw open carry of unloaded guns, Wyoming's state legislature just passed a law that will allow arresting federal officers who interfere with in-state gun manufacture and sales. Our Governor says he's likely to sign it into law. And he's a Democrat.

    There are a few other states worth living in. They mostly border Wyoming.

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    Michael W. Dean
    http://www.libertarianpunk.com


    Fun video of me and the wife shooting a gun you cannot legally own in California. Shooting it on public land, not at a pay-money-and-sign-a-release-form range populated by gangbangers like where we shot in California.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GD8llBPxhc



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    Those who stay and introduce people to shooting are doing the whole country a service. The Appleseed program is strong in California. There are many AR15 platform rifles which are not on the ban list. The way to get the California laws overturned is to change the minds of the rest of the resident s to support it

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    Mike I moved from Detroit, Michigan to Colorado. Big difference for me too. I feel your sentiment and I understand where you're coming from. Detroit was just not working out for me. I always URGE and sometimes Beg my friends in Detroit to come to Colorado and experience true Freedom. I get the same excuses you do... Job, Girlfriend, Family, familiarity, house, etc. Their safety, happiness, and sanity are not comparable.. but they don't get a lick of that feeling. Not even a taste. Lots of people that come out here for a week or two, specially from compacted cities- end up moving out here.

    When I first got here I lived in the boonies. Desolate mountain terrain... I watch your video clips and yup that's the best feeling ever isn't it? Popping off a few rounds for breakfast.. a few for lunch.. a few for dinner.. your neighbors none the wiser.

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    MichaelWDean wrote:
    There are a few other states worth living in. They mostly border Wyoming.
    I moved away from Cali to Wyoming's neighbor to the East ~ very glad I did. Easy to understand gun laws that you don't need a lawyer to interpret and very low crime rate (5th lowest in the US) -

    If you're ever over through Newcastle to Custer and wanna come to our range in Buffalo Gap, lemme know - :celebrate

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    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    Those who stay and introduce people to shooting are doing the whole country a service. The Appleseed program is strong in California.
    Well, there is that.

    Me and the wife took a class from some Appleseed teachers in SoCal, Cindy and Richard. Great folks.

    MWD

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    MichaelWDean wrote:
    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    Those who stay and introduce people to shooting are doing the whole country a service. The Appleseed program is strong in California.
    Well, there is that.

    Me and the wife took a class from some Appleseed teachers in SoCal, Cindy and Richard. Great folks.

    MWD
    Thank you! Will keep that in mind.

    MWD

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    Not everyone can move right now. In case you haven't noticed, alot of folks have been layed off work, had their houses forclosed upon. Not easy to try and find a job in the perfect gun friendly state right now. I guess if you are disabled and get SSI, you can live in any state since SSI is federal monies. But even that isn't alot of money. And if the disability is something like depression, then you'd get some heckling around these forums.

    An alternative would be open carry communes/homesteading. LOL

    Pick different gun friendly states and establish such in rural areas. We all pitch in and build dwellings from straw and used tires, use solar or other alternative powers and be off the grid, and farm for all our food needs. Hunting, trapping, and gathering can also be utilized. For some income to buy guns and whatnot we can sell crafts and art. Who wants to be a gun hippy? woohoo

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    Open carry homesteading and communes. Hmmm.. Ya know, that might not be such a bad idea. haha

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    XD40coyote wrote:
    Not everyone can move right now. In case you haven't noticed, alot of folks have been layed off work, had their houses forclosed upon. Not easy to try and find a job in the perfect gun friendly state right now. I guess if you are disabled and get SSI, you can live in any state since SSI is federal monies. But even that isn't alot of money. And if the disability is something like depression, then you'd get some heckling around these forums.

    An alternative would be open carry communes/homesteading. LOL

    Pick different gun friendly states and establish such in rural areas. We all pitch in and build dwellings from straw and used tires, use solar or other alternative powers and be off the grid, and farm for all our food needs. Hunting, trapping, and gathering can also be utilized. For some income to buy guns and whatnot we can sell crafts and art. Who wants to be a gun hippy? woohoo
    Yeah, I know, not everyone can do it. I am more yelling at me in the past for not moving sooner than I am yelling at anyone else for not moving today.

    But I didn't think I could do it, when I brought it up to my wife, she said "maybe in ten or 15 years", and I thought that true too. 11 months later, we lived here.

    I guess someone didn't take my post the right way, here's a new comment on the YouTube video I posted the link for:

    StarKnightGoku You post like an as$h0!e on OCDO, so I'm betting you are one.

    I replied:

    as$h0!e How? I'm just perky with life!


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    I know people can't move but it's also the point that you'll never get ahead if you stay put. For example, if your unemployment rate is 14% now, you have no job and "cannot move" because of a Foreclosure... well you CERTAINLY won't find better results in the same area as unemployment climbs 15%, 16%, 17%, etc. For inner city California- this is a prime example.

    The whole point is- sometimes you Have To leave just to stay alive. I literally would have starved to death if I had stayed in Detroit... Literally!

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    OP, please stop spelling Kalifornia with a "C", it lost that privelidge years ago.

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    i could pick up and move just about any where in the country :celebrate:celebrate

    where do you think i should go? :shock: :what: (dont say heII)
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    If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    MichaelWDean wrote:
    I was going to post this as a reply to the thread about the California politician wanting to ban open carry of unloaded guns. But thought it would be a hijack there, so I'm starting a new thread.

    Open carry of an unloaded gun is a nice gesture, but "an unloaded gun is a rock." Carrying an unloaded gun is having the "right" without the reason people carry a gun. (i.e. self-defense.)

    Political action for gun rights in California may make tiny inroads, but it's like banging one's head against the wall.

    Got your serial-numbered bullets yet?

    I lived in California for decades. Got out and moved to Wyoming because California is becoming a communist country, fast.

    Whenever I mention this, people say "Well, that's nice for you, but I have (family, job, house, etc.) keeping me here."

    My moving wasn't just throwing some clothes in a backpack and jumping on a Greyhound. It was the biggest move I've ever made.

    First I had to convince my wife (that wasn't easy, but she LOVES Wyoming now and can't believe she ever lived in California). We had to put the house up for sale there, find a house here, find jobs here, hire a moving van, drive it, get settled here. It cost a lot of money and it was a LOT of work, but first I just had to get over the thought that things were "keeping" us there.

    Money goes farther here too. There's no state income tax, sales tax is low, and everything's less expensive.

    If you value liberty, GET OUT OF THAT PLACE! California really is horrible. Not just for loss of rights, but the economy is only going to get worse, and crime is only going to go up.

    While California's politicians are trying to outlaw open carry of unloaded guns, Wyoming's state legislature just passed a law that will allow arresting federal officers who interfere with in-state gun manufacture and sales. Our Governor says he's likely to sign it into law. And he's a Democrat.

    There are a few other states worth living in. They mostly border Wyoming.

    Respectfully,
    Michael W. Dean
    http://www.libertarianpunk.com


    Fun video of me and the wife shooting a gun you cannot legally own in California. Shooting it on public land, not at a pay-money-and-sign-a-release-form range populated by gangbangers like where we shot in California.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GD8llBPxhc

    Good for you! Freedom is indeed worth it.

    As for arresting federal officers, if I'm not mistaken, any sheriff can do this to any federal agent, officer, or whatever - including the president.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

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    It's a $2,000 fine to the Federal Agent. According to the article below, it's also an arrestable offense, State Prison style?

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    Here's the source. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread551412/pg1

    State plan fines FEDS $2,000 over gun rules
    www.wnd.com

    Wyoming has joined a growing list of states with self-declared exemptions from federal gun regulation of weapons made, bought and used inside state borders – but lawmakers in the Cowboy State have taken the issue one step further, adopting significant penalties for federal agents attempting to enforce Washington's rules...

    ...a felony conviction and a penalty of up to two years in prison and up to $2,000 in fines.

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    But Wyoming's law goes further, stating, "Any official, agent or employee of the United States government who enforces or attempts to enforce any act, order, law, statute, rule or regulation of the United States government upon a personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Wyoming and that remains exclusively within the borders of Wyoming shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, shall be subject to imprisonment for not more than two (2) years, a fine of not more than two thousand dollars ($2,000.00), or both."

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    South Dakota Gov Rounds just signed the Firearms Freedom Act SB 0089 into law - no fine for interfering feds but goes into effect July 1, 2010. :celebrate

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    MichaelWDean wrote:
    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    Those who stay and introduce people to shooting are doing the whole country a service. The Appleseed program is strong in California.
    Well, there is that.

    Me and the wife took a class from some Appleseed teachers in SoCal, Cindy and Richard. Great folks.

    MWD
    That would be Johnnyappleseed and SavageShootr from the Appleseed boards. Definitely good people whom I have had the pleasure of meeting in person and communicate with on a regular basis.

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    Welcome to Wyoming Michael! I moved here from the golden shower state 4 years ago and dont regret it in the least. I'm still trying to get my parents, brother, amd nephews out of that looney bin.

    Interceptor, as long as the majority of the people in Kalifornistan are the moonbats infesting the San Francisco bay and the greater L.A.areas and continue to dominate the rest of the state,nothing's going to change for the betterin that cesspool.
    "You can teach 'em, but you cant learn 'em."

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    XD40coyote wrote:
    Pick different gun friendly states and establish such in rural areas. We all pitch in and build dwellings from straw and used tires, use solar or other alternative powers and be off the grid, and farm for all our food needs. Hunting, trapping, and gathering can also be utilized. For some income to buy guns and whatnot we can sell crafts and art. Who wants to be a gun hippy? woohoo
    Strangely compelling. I'll bring my electronics books.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Huck wrote:
    Interceptor, as long as the majority of the people in Kalifornistan are the moonbats infesting the San Francisco bay and the greater L.A.areas and continue to dominate the rest of the state,nothing's going to change for the betterin that cesspool.
    I was stationed there and I still have friends and family there. I have met enough good people to know that there is hope. It may look dark now, but it is worth fighting for.

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    1245A Defender wrote:
    i could pick up and move just about any where in the country :celebrate:celebrate

    where do you think i should go? :shock: :what: (dont say heII)
    Depends. What are you looking for?

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    Huck wrote:
    Welcome to Wyoming Michael! I moved here from the golden shower state 4 years ago and dont regret it in the least. I'm still trying to get my parents, brother, amd nephews out of that looney bin.

    Thank you Huck!

    We've been here since July (and we visited in June) and it never ceases to make us happy being here and out of Kalifornia.

    Michael W. Dean

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    I'd rather fight for my rights, I don't believe in running to safe havens and leaving others to fight the fight. Besides, I'm 25 and about to close on my dream home with a boat dock for a 42' boat with access to the Atlantic in an urban city in Florida which is getting progressively more gun friendly. With the way things are going I could havethis house paid off by the time I'm 30 and be working on paying off my 40' Hunter DS. I have a lot invested in Florida and I'm not going to just move, I'm going to fight to protect what's mine.

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    That sounds like you're inviting us to a boat party.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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